Gibson Custom Shop Paint info needed?

[SG Lou]

I have a client who's LP I brought back from a bad burn in a house fire.

Repair Thread is here:
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/luthiers-corner/189049-hot-les-paul-headstock-restoration.html


He sent me an email stating he's ready for new body binding and a refin.
Here's the thing. He want's a Gibson Custom Shop color consisting of a Candy Apple Red Metallic over the entire guitar. He say's that in either 82 or 83, Gibson had a LP Standard in this color. I did a Google search but came up empty. Does anyone have any info on this color ?

 

[SG Lou]

This is what he wants....and I'd gladly do it....if I had the paint info.

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/mem...-paul-standard-candy-apple-red-1475-00-a.html

 

[cdscarter]

I believe you make it a gold top then spray transparent cherry over the gold until it is the shade of red you want.

 

[emoney]

Well, Lou, if you guys were really close, you'd buy that guitar you linked and then just copy
that color. I mean....I'm just sayin', there weren't any updates saying "sold" I don't think.

I think I've seen one of these, but of course that offers no help at all to what you need.
Funny, because I remember the one I saw thinking it must've been a "refin", lol.

 

[SG Lou]

I believe you make it a gold top then spray transparent cherry over the gold until it is the shade of red you want.

Hard to tell from the photos...is it a gold or silver metallic base ?

 

[pinefd]

Hard to tell from the photos...is it a gold or silver metallic base ?

That example sure looks like it has a silver base. Candy apple can be done using either gold or silver as a base, but again, that one looks like silver to me.


Frank

 

[SG Lou]

That example sure looks like it has a silver base. Candy apple can be done using either gold or silver as a base, but again, that one looks like silver to me.


Frank

Sure looks like a Silver base from the photo showing the buckle rash in the back !

 

[pinefd]

Sure looks like a Silver base from the photo showing the buckle rash n the back !

Exactly!

 

[Freddy G]

I agree with the silver.

Gold metallic base would give the candy a deeper, mellower hue.

 

[Bill Hicklin]

You probably couldn't find CAR listed as a catalog color because Gibson called it "Sparkling Burgundy." According to Carl H's website (guitarhq.com), the base coat was always silver (as opposed to Fender, whose base coat changed over time between silver and gold).

Note that your '82-83 would have had a polyurethane finish, not nitro.

 

[SG Lou]

You probably couldn't find CAR listed as a catalog color because Gibson called it "Sparkling Burgundy." According to Carl H's website (guitarhq.com), the base coat was always silver (as opposed to Fender, whose base coat changed over time between silver and gold).

Note that your '82-83 would have had a polyurethane finish, not nitro.

Thanks for the info Bill...Every bit helps.
Sparkling Burgundy was a Custom Color offered in the early 60's but if memory serves me correctly that's an opaque and not transparent color.

 

[Bill Hicklin]

No, it was a two-stage translucent-over-metalflake like Fender's CAR. Here: Gibson Guitars - Olivia's Vintage Guitars - Vintage and Fine guitars (in particular, look at the closeups of the neck heel and pickup cavities)

This one is unfaded; many pre-68 nitro-finished SB guitars have faded to a terracotta-ish tone but the poly ones don't.

 

[voices]

Gibson did in fact do Candy Apple Red in 82:

If you give me some time, I have photos of cans of paint from the Kalamazoo factory somewhere. I just have to find them

 

[voices]

here is a can from the Memphis Custom Shop plant:

 

[voices]

I think I was confused about which factory had the paint. I would guess Nashville used the same supplier but can't say what K'zoo used. I could find out though I suppose.

 

[voices]

Tobacco Brown:

 

[voices]

Antique Yellow:

 

[voices]

Is anyone surprised is Valspar?

 

[SG Lou]

Gibson did in fact do Candy Apple Red in 82:

If you give me some time, I have photos of cans of paint from the Kalamazoo factory somewhere. I just have to find them

So it's definitely a CAR...Now the question is trying to find the right CAR.

Urethane Kandy Basecoat (UKB)

 

[Bill Hicklin]

Here ya go: 1983 catalog, Les Paul Custom in CAR: 1983 Gibson guitar and bass Guitar Catalogue Page 8 - Les Paul Standard and Les Paul Custom Apparently it was a custom option for an extra $85