For people who want to develop their "Picking Technique"! Guitar or Bass!

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After browsing this section, I have seen a lot of aspiring guitarists asking how to go about improving their picking technique. This is my take on the subject. Please feel free to put your opinion in on this. Below is my take, and a simple exercise.

Holding a pick correctly!
Firstly, how you hold a pick isn't what you would naturally consider, if you haven't been taught this already. You need to start with this correct shape untill you get comfortable with it and your natural posture takes effect.

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In this picture that google helped me with, you need to make a cross with your thumb and index finger. Hold your thumb horizontal and curle your index fingure so that the tip of it is perpendicular with your thumb (or vetical) so you make this cross shape. The "pad" of your thumb should be against the left hand side of the tip of your index finger (providing your right handed, opposite for us lefties!). If you look at your horizontal thumb head on, your index finger should poke down below your thumb and almost resemble a guitar pick itself.

As for holding the pick, you should have the tip following your index finger. Hold it so that the center of the pick is roughly in the middle of your thumb. Do not press against it, but merely secure it in place. It needs to be able to flick or flex a bit either way as you pick or strum!

For completely new guitarists.
If you are new to guitar (I mean very recently started, or are still even trying to get the hang of what I mentioned above, or just never held the pick like above...) then I propose this for initial practice.

Wield the pick as I said above and just fret a note. Somewhere in the middle of the neck is a good start, like the 5th or 7th fret, on one fat E string. Now, provided your sitting bolt upright strum/pick that one note over and over again. A lot of guitar playing comes from the wrist rather than the elbow. So just focus on mainly picking by moving your wrist vertically (in line with the guitar stings/strumming direction). Pick down, pick up, pick down, pick up, pick down, pick up. After you can clearly pick one note quite consistently, pick a new note and strum that till your a bit more relaxed. Up and down picks or strokes are vital to guitar playing.


Now, for those wanting a wonderful little exercise to practice a picking technique that will actually improve a lot of aspects of playing, well here it is!

A Major Scale!
Learn the basic major scale.
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This is for a bass guitar, but its the best I could find, and its the same either way. Above is a scale, up and down, repeated 4 times. Starting on the lowest (fatest) E string you fret and play 3 then 5. One the A string above (or down technically!) it is 2, then 3, then 5. Move up one more string to the D string and play 2, then 4, then 5. So, 3,5 2,3,5, 2,4,5. Then reverse and work your way backwards back down. Notice the 3rd fret that you start on and the 5th fret you finish on? They are the same note, just an octave difference. Hence one octave scale, from G all the way to G, playing every note within the G major scale!

The Very first exercise!
First exercise! Fingering is very important. I want you to practice this. Your index finger only presses notes on the second fret. Your middle finger presses every note on the 3rd fret. Your ring finger is for the forth and that poor, weak little pinky is gonna get a nice dose of exercise with the 5th fret.

So if you imagine your index finger is 1, middle finger is 2, ring finger is 3 and pinky is 4. Suddenly this scale turns from 3,5/2,3,5/2,4,5 into 2,4/1,2,4/1,3,4.

Now going back to the picking hand I want you to pick each string and note of that scale in order, up then down. Once you memorise the scale and know it, switch to that up/down picking. So U/D, U/D/U, D/U/D (then backwards!). This is very tricky to start with but total a few hours at this and it will be verging on natural!

For those that can do the above!
If you can roll up and down the scale competently and have started making a shot at doing it somewhat to a slow beat, then you can start building some strength!

If you have picked up on the "pattern" of 2,4/1,2,4/1,3,4 then you can move this pattern anywhere along the E string. So for example 7,9/6,7,9/6,8,9 is a B major scale. This also works starting anywhere on the A string too! We're avoiding the B string for now as that is a bit different and throws a tantrum in the mix :D

So I now want you to start with the root note on the 3rd fret on the low E string (Root note being the first note of the scale, and the end note!). Once you have finished the scale, slide up one fret instantly whilst keeping somewhat of a rythm 1...2...3...4... etc or !...!...!...!...!...!...!...!.......(luz i missed)..!...!... etc. Once that scale is complete instantly start another fret higher up (so start at the 5th fret now!). Continue all the way up till you've rolled the twelth fret E scale. Cramping at the wrist yet? Well you aint done! Jump a string higher to the A string. Start at fret 12 and repeat the previous process, but down the neck back to the third fret. Eventually you will be able to do this will without missing a pulse or cramping the wrist! :D

But thats only finger work... what next?
Right. I want you to start on a comfortable scale. Now roll up and down whilst sticking to a beat. When you reach the original note, do the same again, but two notes per beat, whilst alternate picking. So up/down, up/down etc. This will double your playing/picking speed whilst remaining "economical" in your technique. Same strum, twice the notes.

Got that? Up and down the neck fella!

Got that? Well, perhaps you can guess? Triple Pick time!

Got that? Can you guess what the next one is? Wrong it isn't sleep. Its 4 picks per note.

Timing time!
As you play, count your timing it does help, really. So for one note a beat (in 4/4 timing thats quarter notes) its ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, etc.

For 2 notes per beat (an 8th note!) its ONE-and-TWO-and-THREE-and-FOUR-and, etc (shout the ands!)

For 3 notes per bear (a 12th note, not so common in many styles but good for rythm practice!) its ONE-e-and-TWO-e-and-THREE-e-and-FOUR-e-and.

And for 4 notes (16ths, as far as one really needs to go unless powermetal is the dream) then its ONE-e-and-a-TWO-e-and-a-THREE-e-and-a-FOUR-e-and-a, etc.

WOooOOoo! Learning!
Now I've taught you a fairly basic way to practice off one type of scale, can you imagine what I'm going to say next?

Wrong, its more scales! :D

Well, this is where your free to wonder off back to learning sweet child's intro or stairway to heaven, but heres a tip.

For every octave scale you learn, learn the fingering. Learn it by practicing exercises I taught you here, just with a new scale.

Another thing to do, could be variations on the major scale (more complex fingering, but same notes essentially). Or learn a full 2 or 3 octive scale and practice picking that. Or try arpeggio's which are scales that skip notes, basically, without going into theory, and are often used in the mad sweeping techniques. etc.

You'll find this should be a nice base for developing your skills with.

So what does this really teach me.
That you'll blindly follow advice from someone off the internet? No, I'm not that mean. I'm teaching you repetition. A powerful tool that can drill anything into anyones mind. Repetition, nothing more. :D

Have fun!

P.S. Let me know if you find any of this helpful. Keep me updated as to whether you start to notice any improvements!
 

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Just wanted to add. Here is a nice example of real world music thats a fun way to get into this type practice, it's Guitar Boogie by Authur Smith. A pure classic.

A link to the song.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lQ9VbO-m-I"]Arthur Smith - Guitar Boogie - YouTube[/ame]

A link to some guy who nicely walks you through the intro/main riff at a beginners level.
DJ Guitar Tabs: Arthur Smith: Guitar Boogie

And a PDF he made of the notation/tab that covers the intro. (you will need Adobe Reader if you dont have it).
http://www.davejonesguitar.co.uk/pdf/GuitarBoogie.pdf


Also, here is something similar that I learned years ago on bass. I have no idea where its from, but its the same line as a song used in Kill Bill, although that wasn't where its from...
T = Timing
* = Fingering

T 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
E ---------------------------
B ---------------------------
G --------------------------- Part 1.
D -----------4--5--4---------
A -----4--7-----------7--4---
E --5------------------------
* 2 1 4 1 2 1 4 1


T 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
E ---------------------------
B ---------------------------
G -----------4--5--4--------- Part 2.
D -----4--7-----------7--4---
A --5------------------------
E ---------------------------
* 2 1 4 1 2 1 4 1


T 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
E ---------------------------
B ---------------------------
G -----------6-----------4--- Part 3.
D -----6--9--------4--7-----
A --7-----------5------------
E ---------------------------
* 2 1 4 1 2 1 4 1


T 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
E ---------------------------
B ---------------------------
G --------------------------- Part 4.
D ---------------------------
A -----4--5--6--7--6--5--4--
E --5------------------------
* 2 1 2 3 4 3 2 1


Part 1 x2.
Part 2 x2.
Part 1 x2.
Part 3 x1.
Part 4 x1.
Repeat! :D

Learn that, then double pick. Then try get it with the same sort of rythmic swing a Guitar Boogie.

(EDIT: The post messed with all the spacing for the timing and fingering. Imagine stretching out the numbers so that each one is under a note in the tab!)
 

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"o put your opinion in on this. Below is my take, and a simple exercise.

Holding a pick correctly!
Firstly, how you hold a pick isn't what you would naturally consider, if you haven't been taught this already. You need to start with this correct shape untill you get comfortable with it and your natural posture takes effect.



In this picture that google helped me with, you need to make a cross with your thumb and index finger. Hold your thumb horizontal and curle your index fingure so that the tip of it is perpendicular with your thumb (or vetical) so you make this cross shape. The "pad" of your thumb should be against the left hand side of the tip of your index finger (providing your right handed, opposite for us lefties!). If you look at your horizontal thumb head on, your index finger should poke down below your thumb and almost resemble a guitar pick itself. "

:hmm: So, to be clear, is that the left "padded part of the index finger, like its slightly twisted to make a "pinch" type of grip with the thumb or is it the left "side" of the index finger pressing against the pad of the thumb? Its kinda hard to tell by the photo but great post! :thumb:


Also, is this the same grip you use for strumming and do you know of any strumming exercises?

Thanks.
 

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:hmm: So, to be clear, is that the left "padded part of the index finger, like its slightly twisted to make a "pinch" type of grip with the thumb or is it the left "side" of the index finger pressing against the pad of the thumb? Its kinda hard to tell by the photo but great post! :thumb:

Also, is this the same grip you use for strumming and do you know of any strumming exercises?

Thanks.

Sorry, it should be the left hand side of your index finger. There should be no pinching. If you can get something like the above, and hold the pick in a relaxed position (i.e. your not clenching it) then your natural posture will develop. Everyone is slightly different! Above is a rough guide so people (who read this) try to avoid the old-school "fist-grip" which is actually tricky to break away from.


I hold the pick the same for strumming, but naturally loosen up a touch more.

Strumming properly takes some practice, but one of the key things to learn is to stum up and down evenly (or add some "swing" for some blues, etc) and make rythyms out of the same "up/down" movement. The "swing" usually involves slightly delayed (but faster strum) Up strokes.

If you look below, I'm sure you can figure out the U and D, but the M is a miss. So the strokes are still UDUDUDUD, but continue the movement but just clear the strings and keep your rythym going.

1&2&3&4&
UMUDMUDU

Try that to make up rythyms at first.

Afterwards, you can start to create mutes with your fretting hand. This is just easing off the pressure on the frets so you aren't "fretting" but your fingers are pressing enough on the strings to deaden them. Repeat the complete U/D strumming but turn the misses into mutes.

I've never really seen palm mutes involved in stumming, but you do occassionally slam the side of your palm down on the strings to instantly mute everything, they can be used instead of the M's as well.

And finally make sure to work on the timings of your strums.

So
1&2&3&4& etc

1-&-2e&a3-&-4e&a etc...

If thats enough explaination of that?

Basically combining all those simple little techniques will be all the essentials towards most strumming stuffs and all thats really needed for any of the classic "sing-a-long" stuff you might want to learn on an acoustic :D
 

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Thank you for your fast resonce.:thumb:

I am currently playing only my electric(LP) w a VERY sensitive touch responce amp and pups.

They are forcing me to rethink things and taking me back to the basics(like I suck now? :laugh2:)

I really am wanting to master a hybrid "fingerpicking with a pick" so I can cover most all the voices in my head(scary thought :laugh2:)

Is it the same pick grip with the hybrid style?

Thanks again, you are VERY helpful as there is nothing more crapy than finding out YEARS later that your "doing it wrong",



-j
 

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If I'm going into strumming, I might as well add this here too.

Chording!

Chording is something overlooked by most (but not all) teachers I've spoken to. They all learn the normal way and end up spending years perfecting those nasty shapes!

The big problem for chording is that people tend to need to change quickly from one chord to another, and they develop the muscle memory in a linear way.

If someone is learning a new progression of chords that involve some they've rarely (or never) touched before then here are two problems that they do which hinders them a lot...

1. They learn chords finger by finger. Often started with the index finger... i.e. if your going for any bar chord, do you bar the string the wrestle with your fingers to get them into place? What about an open C chord? open E? You have to learn how to play any chord instantly, all fingers at the same time for almost every chord you ever need. There are some exceptions though...

2. Because of the above, they tend to learn the transition from chord 1 to chord 2 because of this, which makes it tricky say to play the progression backwards or in a jumbled order. They aren't learning the chords induvidually.


So, you need to learn to fret a chord from nothing to all fingers instantly fretted? Sound difficult? Well, its not, for the most part.

Below is a crude but effective method I was taught a few years back that has really helped me in the little chording I actually do... I suggest using it with a new chord, or one your stuggling with, to really see it work before taking the time to relearn open chords or basic bares.

This can be done whislt watching TV too as it requires virtually no brain power.

1. Give your fingers a good warm up and stretch, the above scale runs could help there!
2. Adjust your fretting hand so that each finger rests in the position you want for the chord. Make sure your posture is good, palm perpendicular to the fretboard, finger tips also perpendicular and thumb out sideways (not curled round with the thumb over the top!)
3. Check that your getting a pretty clean chord if you strum!
4. In intervals of 1-2 seconds, put pressure on the frets to fret the chord, then ease off (so you basically muting them), then repeat.
5. Repeat this pressure on/off for about 10-20 times.
6. Take all fingers off and stretch them, wiggle them, and quickly refret the chord and repeat the above.
7. Do this for about 10 consecutive reps, or about 2-5 mins per chord, per day.
8. Practice the chord in a song or musically for a little bit, within a progression or as part of a riff/lick!

You'll have any chord fairly nailed within a few days and it'll be part of your repetoire. You should be able to use that chord anytime you need it, at least more so than practicing the harder way!

You can enjoy that lesson too!



So, 10mins finger warm ups, 10mins strumming, 10mins chording. That a lot of stuff to do every time you pick up the guitar that isn't playing repatative riffs! :D

Make sure to learn new scales regulary (write them down in a note book too, for reference!). New chords, develop your own strum patterns, etc.

Enjoy!
 

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Thank you for your fast resonce.:thumb:

Is it the same pick grip with the hybread style?

-j

No problem, I'd just logged on for a browse :D

As for the hybrid picking with pick/fingers I couldn't say. I've never really touched the finger picking side, other than learning "Under the Bridge". Although finger picking on bass - very confident with that! :D

My personal opinion would be that it is the same, as the point in the open pick style is to free your fingers. The common way people used to learn was more making a fist, which made opening out difficult.
 

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If I'm going into strumming, I might as well add this here too.

Chording!

Chording is something overlooked by most (but not all) teachers I've spoken to. They all learn the normal way and end up spending years perfecting those nasty shapes!

The big problem for chording is that people tend to need to change quickly from one chord to another, and they develop the muscle memory in a linear way.

If someone is learning a new progression of chords that involve some they've rarely (or never) touched before then here are two problems that they do which hinders them a lot...

1. They learn chords finger by finger. Often started with the index finger... i.e. if your going for any bar chord, do you bar the string the wrestle with your fingers to get them into place? What about an open C chord? open E? You have to learn how to play any chord instantly, all fingers at the same time for almost every chord you ever need. There are some exceptions though...

2. Because of the above, they tend to learn the transition from chord 1 to chord 2 because of this, which makes it tricky say to play the progression backwards or in a jumbled order. They aren't learning the chords induvidually.


So, you need to learn to fret a chord from nothing to all fingers instantly fretted? Sound difficult? Well, its not, for the most part.

Below is a crude but effective method I was taught a few years back that has really helped me in the little chording I actually do... I suggest using it with a new chord, or one your stuggling with, to really see it work before taking the time to relearn open chords or basic bares.

This can be done whislt watching TV too as it requires virtually no brain power.

1. Give your fingers a good warm up and stretch, the above scale runs could help there!
2. Adjust your fretting hand so that each finger rests in the position you want for the chord. Make sure your posture is good, palm perpendicular to the fretboard, finger tips also perpendicular and thumb out sideways (not curled round with the thumb over the top!)
3. Check that your getting a pretty clean chord if you strum!
4. In intervals of 1-2 seconds, put pressure on the frets to fret the chord, then ease off (so you basically muting them), then repeat.
5. Repeat this pressure on/off for about 10-20 times.
6. Take all fingers off and stretch them, wiggle them, and quickly refret the chord and repeat the above.
7. Do this for about 10 consecutive reps, or about 2-5 mins per chord, per day.
8. Practice the chord in a song or musically for a little bit, within a progression or as part of a riff/lick!

You'll have any chord fairly nailed within a few days and it'll be part of your repetoire. You should be able to use that chord anytime you need it, at least more so than practicing the harder way!

You can enjoy that lesson too!



So, 10mins finger warm ups, 10mins strumming, 10mins chording. That a lot of stuff to do every time you pick up the guitar that isn't playing repatative riffs! :D

Make sure to learn new scales regulary (write them down in a note book too, for reference!). New chords, develop your own strum patterns, etc.

Enjoy!

:shock:

Could you give me an example of this please???

I was talt to always have my thumb point up, are you saying to point it sideways like towards the headstock(pighead)?

I never like the way I was talt, never could get the hang of it when making fast chord or scale neck position changes .(freely moving up and down the neck)

Dude, you may be saving me YEARS of frustration here!!! I owe ya bro! :)

PS. I was also talt the old school way tp grip a pick, I though you ms wrote or somthing when I first read your post, glad you clarified that!
 

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:shock:

Could you give me an example of this please???

I was talt to always have my thumb point up, are you saying to point it sideways like towards the headstock(pighead)?

I never like the way I was talt, never could get the hang of it when making fast chord or scale neck position changes .(freely moving up and down the neck)

Dude, you may be saving me YEARS of frustration here!!! I owe ya bro! :)

PS. I was also talt the old school way tp grip a pick, I though you ms wrote or somthing when I first read your post, glad you clarified that!

Example of the curled thumb?
Check this - http://www.acousticguitarcommunity.com/forum/topics/moving-the-top-part-of-my-palm

Heres my explaination:
gs_thumb_1.jpg


A lot of people get taught this. Because his thumb is bolt upright he actually has to bend his wrist and palm to adapt to playing so far up the neck. Just relax the thumb abit more and try something towards 45 degrees towards the headstock and you hand will twist correctly and you'll have further reach, less strain, *potentially* cleaner notes etc. *****NOTE***** this more applies to chording!
thumb.jpg
(Note that slant!)

Towards your body, thumb position naturally changes.

The big thing is this though...
Guitar Thumb Position Wrapping Around the Neck - guitar thumb placement, guitar thumb position, thumb position on guitar

For bending and picking, going up the neck its not really hurting. Its a normal thing to do... But for a lot of chording, wrapping the thumb hinders your ability to keep clean and make clean transitions.

I'm not arguing with its use entirely, as when bending strings or playing really high up the neck etc, many do it. What I'm saying (which is my opinion) is to avoid it in as much chording as possible.

Like this guy playing the B7...
guitar-b7-chord.WidePlayer.jpg


By curling up like he's done there, he's made transitions to other chords that little bit harder, in my honest opinion. However, I still curl up doing that chord... its just a fiddly one.

Its not hurting anything, its just if you practice to not do that, then your life with chording is that tiny bit easier...


Again, my way is my way, which is a collection from many people over the years. You just have to think about it... Why is what "they" are saying the correct way? Is there an advantage/disadvantage?

As someone once said to me (albiet much less elegantly), "If you dont understand why you need to change, then you dont need to change".

So take it as this, if you can see why above helps, then at least try it, otherwise if you feel that there is no improvement in switching to anything that I've said, then your so far down your path, chances are that switching will hinder your improvement more so.
 

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