First person to be convicted under Florida’s 'Red Flag’ firearms law faces up to 5 years in prison.

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I do see one common theme in all 19 pages. That human life is dear to every one of us and none of us likes violence. :cheers2:

Regarding the original topic, We only know that contrary to due process, they came to take his guns. This case needs to be appealed to SCOTUS where they can rule if Red Flag Laws are contrary to The Constution of the US. Oh, I do agree that the shooter should not have fired his gun if it was not in self defense and he was properly convicted. But the issue is Red Flag Laws, which in my state of California, are very worrisome. Here, anyone can report anyone for any reason ant any gun owner will get SWATed.
 

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The US cities with the largest rate of gun crime, per 100,000 people, are New Orleans, Memphis, Birmingham and Baltimore, in that order. These places have very large poor populations. Here's what we need to combat this- bring back manufacturing to the US. Give people jobs. Bring back publicly funded mental health facilities. Open publicly funded drug rehab facilities. Legalize weed. Everywhere. And keep this is mind when slamming America- Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. The US isn't even close.
The jobs have been and are coming back! Last month 266,000 more added!
 

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I will guarantee there is no elected official that would even consider any of the potential trades I listed.
On either side. They get elected and re-elected by pandering to the extremists. Bot sides are 'all or nothing". They don't want to fix the problem. And THEN there's the "interests"that pay them.
 

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I'm asking a simple question: The Pro-gun side does not want to give up any more. Granted. I got that. So what can be done? What change are they willing to propose to fix the gun violence?

**Crickets**
It's already been said. By ME.
 

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He was (is) awaiting trial on the charge of attempted murder.
Regardless of Florida statute, that made him a prohibited person on the Federal level, and his status of being out on bail would likely include the suspension of his 4a rights as well as 2a. In California (possibly Federal?) no warrant is required to search the person or property of a person who is on felony probation.
Then it's a dead issue, far as he's concerned. He blew it. By being caught with guns afterwards, he blew it again.

So WHY is this particular shit stain suddenly the "gun rights martyr"? Gun owners should be mad at HIM for dragging them into his bullshit.
 

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I missed this incredibly rude, smart ass and very typical response from you.

"talked at"?

Who in the hell do you think you are to "talk at" me? Or any of us, for that matter?



Again, you have brought NOTHING to this conversation but the dialogue of someone who thinks we owe you something.

We owe you nothing.


"bargain". That's what was suggested here, correct? Bargaining dialogue?

Bringing nothing to the table is not a position to bargain from.

Do you think I'm being stubborn, unwilling to move?

Check yourself. What are you not stubborn about? From what position are you willing to move?

Several times in this thread, you spoke of "compromise". In one post, it was "logical compromise".

There are always two sides to a compromise.

So please, don't refer to a compromise in this discussion. You offer no compromise.

You refer to empathy as your "guiding light".

Empathy: "The ability to understand and share the feelings of another. The capacity to place oneself in another's position".

You know nothing of my experiences or how I feel about them. You couldn't possibly place yourself in the positions I have been in my life.

So I'm going to tell you now, and clearly so: With that "talked at" crack, You just lost the respect you had gained from me with your participation in this thread.

Empathy my ass.
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I don't want to argue in this thread anymore. What's going to be said has been said I believe but I need to comment on this post.

My wording was wrong. It was very much misinterpreted and not intended to sound like I am going to just "Talk down to you" like a parent to a child.

The phrase "talk at" was intended to mean that if two people are having a conversation and one person isn't talking, then the other person is just talking at the other. No disrespect intended.

If you took it that way, then I am sorry. It was certainly not my intent. We haven't been on the best of terms you and me, and I'm certainly not trying to Poke the Bull sort of speak.

Cheers.
 

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@LtDave32
I don't want to argue in this thread anymore. What's going to be said has been said I believe but I need to comment on this post.

My wording was wrong. It was very much misinterpreted and not intended to sound like I am going to just "Talk down to you" like a parent to a child.

The phrase "talk at" was intended to mean that if two people are having a conversation and one person isn't talking, then the other person is just talking at the other. No disrespect intended.

If you took it that way, then I am sorry. It was certainly not my intent. We haven't been on the best of terms you and me, and I'm certainly not trying to Poke the Bull sort of speak.

Cheers.

Said like a man.

Apology accepted.
 

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Then it's a dead issue, far as he's concerned. He blew it. By being caught with guns afterwards, he blew it again.

So WHY is this particular shit stain suddenly the "gun rights martyr"? Gun owners should be mad at HIM for dragging them into his bullshit.
I agree 100%, and this guy is absolutely no martyr for gun rights.
I'm not familiar with Florida procedures (other than they aren't doing SHIT to protect my daughter from her nutjob husband) and if they proactively attempt to remove firearms from the homes of prohibited persons or not.
I suspect not.
California takes a lot of heat for its Armed Prohibited Person's program, but that's because the program is being funded by our $25 tax that is paid on firearms transfers, which is supposed to (by law) be used for training and education, but like Social Security, is shoved into the General Fund and used for whatever program the DOJ wants to use it for.

I suspect that the only reason Florida's "Red Flag" law is a part of this story is because a neighbor familiar with this guy's legal situation reported him under those laws, rather than simply being an armed prohibited person.
 

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I agree 100%, and this guy is absolutely no martyr for gun rights.
I'm not familiar with Florida procedures (other than they aren't doing SHIT to protect my daughter from her nutjob husband)
I've noticed that kind of thing too.

Somehow, too many times, laws seem to protect the assholes and not the good people.
 

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How many people die each year due to drunk drivers? It's illegal to drink and drive, has been for years. The laws don't prevent people from drinking and driving, do they? Why do prosecutors/judges allow multiple DWI/DUI offenders to keep driving? Why doesn't a single arrest and conviction for DWI/DUI result in a long prison sentence? Wouldn't that save lives? What about our safety? What about the children?


It should also result in confiscation of his vehicles. And his alcohol.

Also, said confiscation should be automatic if a pissed-off ex tells the sheriff he drove home with one too many.
 

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It should also result in confiscation of his vehicles. And his alcohol.

Also, said confiscation should be automatic if a pissed-off ex tells the sheriff he drove home with one too many.
"...confiscation of his vehicles. And his alcohol." and hefty hard jail time too, to drive the lesson home. Third time, he's a 3 time loser and can go "away" for life.
 

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"...confiscation of his vehicles. And his alcohol." and hefty hard jail time too, to drive the lesson home. Third time, he's a 3 time loser and can go "away" for life.
In California 3rd offense can be charged as a felony, meaning minimum 1 year prison and loss of voting rights and firearms prohibition for life.
1st offense is a felony if it involves an accident that causes injury, and it's probably rare, but 1st or 2nd offense can be charged as a felony if the BAC is above a certain point... I think it's 0.18 but it may be higher.
 

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Lefty I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, except I don't have much experience shooting. I had the opportunity to inherit a decent cache of hunting weapons, but turned them down and gifted them to a family friend. I think there should be some stipulations around acquiring or owning guns.

Believe it or not, I have read this entire thread, because I find the gun debate fascinating.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that America has a disturbing amount of gun deaths per capita. You could argue whether or not there is some correlation between gun deaths per capita and the amount of guns possessed in our society, but I do not think guns are the root cause, as many others have stated in this thread. Anti-gun activists think the cause of gun deaths is having guns. Note that correlation is different from causation.

I grew up in a small farming town, and guns are not unfamiliar to me. I was in high school when Columbine happened, and at the time guys would keep their shotguns hanging on a rack in their pickup trucks at school.

I am fortunate to live in a pretty calm area and have no desire to own a gun.

Just my .02
-Jay

You're right on that point. It's not a hardware problem as much as a software problem...
 

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