Fast Food in Denmark

[TeaForTwo]

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...and yet we agree again!

With the exception that we need two new agencies, a 2nd to oversee the 1st, just to make sure there's no abuse of the system.

E.B.O.L.A. ...."Employment Brings On Lotsa Affluence."
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[KP]

Community organizing.

I wish I could like this post 1,000,000 times. Well stated.

 

[KP]

all jobs should pay the same. that way we'd have people doing fair work according to their abilities. and the salary would be well above a "living wage". Quality of life will go up for the vast majority of americans and the wealth gap is closed.

You really love yanking everyone's joint. That statement must be one of the stupidest things I have every heard. How could quality of life go up if everyone is on the public dole and no one is paying into the system? You are one of the following: high, stupid or just looking for an argument. Or maybe all three.

 

[KSG_Standard]

You really love yanking everyone's joint. That statement must be one of the stupidest things I have every heard. How could quality of life go up if everyone is on the public dole and no one is paying into the system? You are one of the following: high, stupid or just looking for an argument. Or maybe all three.

He's being sarcastic. Another great place to go where the gov't is making everyone equal is Venezuela.

 

[KP]

He's being sarcastic. Another great place to go where the gov't is making everyone equal is Venezuela.

I thought as much, but wanted to cover all bases just in case.

 

[Deus Vult]

You really love yanking everyone's joint. That statement must be one of the stupidest things I have every heard. How could quality of life go up if everyone is on the public dole and no one is paying into the system? You are one of the following: high, stupid or just looking for an argument. Or maybe all three.

I bet you get invited to all of the parties.

 

[JohnnyN]

Don't know how this thread evaded my radar, but just to clarify part of the Danish tax for high incomes:

The Danish taxing system is rather complex but the "toptax" is an extra tax added to the part of the income that exceeds $77K (and not $55k as stated earlier in this thread) of the taxable income.
Since there are a number of things that can be deducted, and there is an amount that is free of tax for everybody, effectively only yearly incomes higher than $82K pays the extra tax, and only of the part above the $82K.

In 2014 there is 4.9 million people registered to have an income in Denmark (yes small country ). 4.3 million have a taxable income.
504K of those had to pay "toptax".

Yes we do have very high taxes, and it is arguable whether the "toptax" is fair.
But it's not like the hardworking, the clever and those who take initiative and risk are not rewarded. They are, but I think we try not to directly punish those not so able.
In general we are very happy that no matter of income, or social status, you can go to school and get medical care for free here in Denmark.

While it does matter who, what and how I am, my kids did not depend entirely on whether I had bad luck, a disabling accident, need of extensive hospital care or just plain spend my money stupidly.

My kids are doing very well, but even if they had not, they would never need to beg, steal or rob to get a meal and a shelter.
Despite the cons to this system (and yes there are some), that's worth a lot in my opinion.

The agreements between the employer organizations and employee organizations is pretty well described in the article.
Rather unique, and secures stability.

Just my 2 cents. No political intend.

 

[Jakeislove]

@ JohnnyN,

Probably works fine in small countries that have been decently managed from the start. Especially considering 87.75% of your citizens have a taxable income.

Any interest in a few million illegal immigrants?

 

[JohnnyN]

@ JohnnyN,
Especially considering 87.75% of your citizens have a taxable income.

I found that to be a very high number too. But comparing that 18.7% of the population is between 0 and 14 years old it sort of makes sense.
A lot of youngsters from 14 and up have some kind of a job, that is taxable, but the income is below the limit where they actually pay tax.
77% have an income high enough to pay tax. For some odd reason that includes people on public welfare. Yeah can't win them all can you
A couple millions illegal immigrants - no thanks That nunber may be able to hide in a large country like the US, but I think we might spot quite a few of them here

Yes you are right, more manageable in a small country

 

[TeaForTwo]

I found that to be a very high number too. But comparing that 18.7% of the population is between 0 and 14 years old it sort of makes sense.
A lot of youngsters from 14 and up have some kind of a job, that is taxable, but the income is below the limit where they actually pay tax.
77% have an income high enough to pay tax. For some odd reason that includes people on public welfare. Yeah can't win them all can you
A couple millions illegal immigrants - no thanks That nunber may be able to hide in a large country like the US, but I think we might spot quite a few of them here

Yes you are right, more manageable in a small country

The "Windmill Tax" is killer though. I was going to invest in Danish windmills, but the tax forced me to invest elsewhere....

(in jest of course)
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[Gooner]

Don't know how this thread evaded my radar, but just to clarify part of the Danish tax for high incomes:

The Danish taxing system is rather complex but the "toptax" is an extra tax added to the part of the income that exceeds $77K (and not $55k as stated earlier in this thread) of the taxable income.
Since there are a number of things that can be deducted, and there is an amount that is free of tax for everybody, effectively only yearly incomes higher than $82K pays the extra tax, and only of the part above the $82K.

In 2014 there is 4.9 million people registered to have an income in Denmark (yes small country ). 4.3 million have a taxable income.
504K of those had to pay "toptax".

Yes we do have very high taxes, and it is arguable whether the "toptax" is fair.
But it's not like the hardworking, the clever and those who take initiative and risk are not rewarded. They are, but I think we try not to directly punish those not so able.
In general we are very happy that no matter of income, or social status, you can go to school and get medical care for free here in Denmark.

While it does matter who, what and how I am, my kids did not depend entirely on whether I had bad luck, a disabling accident, need of extensive hospital care or just plain spend my money stupidly.

My kids are doing very well, but even if they had not, they would never need to beg, steal or rob to get a meal and a shelter.
Despite the cons to this system (and yes there are some), that's worth a lot in my opinion.

The agreements between the employer organizations and employee organizations is pretty well described in the article.
Rather unique, and secures stability.

Just my 2 cents. No political intend.

Nice post, I like the philosophy behind your system where the not so fortunate are looked after while there is always the ability to further yourself. I'm sure you get your fair share of asylum seekers and economic migrants, a difficult thing to deal with when there is free movement within the EU.
I would like the UK to get closer to your economic/social system, I always thought it was founded after WWII, but I see that it was established a few years before.

 

[KP]

Why do people insist that their health care is free when in fact they pay for ir through their taxes? Hello, are you awake yet?

 

[Jakeislove]

I found that to be a very high number too. But comparing that 18.7% of the population is between 0 and 14 years old it sort of makes sense.
A lot of youngsters from 14 and up have some kind of a job, that is taxable, but the income is below the limit where they actually pay tax.
77% have an income high enough to pay tax. For some odd reason that includes people on public welfare. Yeah can't win them all can you
A couple millions illegal immigrants - no thanks That number may be able to hide in a large country like the US, but I think we might spot quite a few of them here

Yes you are right, more manageable in a small country

Come on!!!

How hard would it really be for you to all learn Spanish?!

 

[Gooner]

Why do people insist that their health care is free when in fact they pay for ir through their taxes? Hello, are you awake yet?

Of course it is paid for out of taxes, he is saying he likes the universal nature of the system where there are no nasty surprises

 

[JohnnyN]

Why do people insist that their health care is free when in fact they pay for ir through their taxes? Hello, are you awake yet?

I don't insist that it is free. But at least I don't have to wait for the ambulance, while they verify the credit limit on my Master Card.
If an insurance should cover unlimited medical care, I would probably have to pay through my nose.

 

[JohnnyN]

...I'm sure you get your fair share of asylum seekers and economic migrants, a difficult thing to deal with when there is free movement within the EU.

Oh yes we do get our share. Aligning all EU countries is a long process, and likely includes we have to give up on some of the things we have taken for granted for generations. Nothing new actually - things change all the time, we will just have to try adapting

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

these threads always reveal such differing attitudes among countries.

I like seeing other countries (like the OP) talk about how society is a "we" thing and not a "me" thing,..(basically.)

Too many Americans have this attitude like, "I'm doing fine, I got mine,...so f**k You!"

Until bad luck hits them and then it's, "why are things so f**ked up?" ...well you contributed to it being that way.

A medical emergency wipes you out
your job gets outsourced
a crazy cop beats your ass and puts you out of work for 2 weeks and you lose your job

sh*t happens.

It would be nice to know you're not going to end up homeless on the street when sh*t happens.

Not everyone is lucky, or has a good family or fall back system,...some people are truly on their own. And it's really easy to slip through the cracks when you're alone.

I wish nothing but good for everyone the world over,..just grosses me out how greedy and selfish some people are.

I always think of it as, "I have a plate full of food in front of me, so why are people starving?" attitude.

It's just....dense,....clueless.

When your life is going well, that's the time to help your fellow man. Not to be a smug prick about your good fortune.

But if I've learned anything, it's that America produces smug pricks at an alarming rate. (myself included,...but I admit it and try not to be that way. Especially being smug about stuff you own or money you have,...that's just being a sh*tty human being. )

 

[Jakeislove]

I get what you're saying, Mal, but the people who'd ultimately end up paying for nationalized healthcare are already struggling.

Skilled American workers might actually be better off moving to places (like Denmark) than waiting for things to significantly improve here.

 

[Dolebludger]

Getting a bit OT here, but we all need to realize that there is already a long list of things we pay for through taxes. A partial list:

Police and fire protection,
Road, street and highway construction and maintenance,
Education K - 12,
Military protection,
Protection from dangerous foods and drugs,
Protection from environmental hazards,
A court system where we can take our problems,

And the list could go on and on.

So the question is not whether we want to start a list of taxpayer provided services by putting medical care in the taxpayer-provided category. It is whether we want to add medical care to an already huge list.

I'm not smart enough to say what we should do. I am lucky enough to have medical care through Medicare + private insurance for the "gaps", and full access to VA care (which is a taxpayer-provided system). After checking out all the alternatives in my small city, I chose to go the the local VA clinic. Waiting time to see a doctor is shorter, if you have an appointment. Any prescriptions are quickly mailed to me. The location is convenient. The doctors are friendly and thorough.

 

[Gooner]

these threads always reveal such differing attitudes among countries.

I like seeing other countries (like the OP) talk about how society is a "we" thing and not a "me" thing,..(basically.)

Too many Americans have this attitude like, "I'm doing fine, I got mine,...so f**k You!"

Until bad luck hits them and then it's, "why are things so f**ked up?" ...well you contributed to it being that way.

A medical emergency wipes you out
your job gets outsourced
a crazy cop beats your ass and puts you out of work for 2 weeks and you lose your job

sh*t happens.

It would be nice to know you're not going to end up homeless on the street when sh*t happens.

Not everyone is lucky, or has a good family or fall back system,...some people are truly on their own. And it's really easy to slip through the cracks when you're alone.

I wish nothing but good for everyone the world over,..just grosses me out how greedy and selfish some people are.

I always think of it as, "I have a plate full of food in front of me, so why are people starving?" attitude.

It's just....dense,....clueless.

When your life is going well, that's the time to help your fellow man. Not to be a smug prick about your good fortune.

But if I've learned anything, it's that America produces smug pricks at an alarming rate. (myself included,...but I admit it and try not to be that way. Especially being smug about stuff you own or money you have,...that's just being a sh*tty human being. )

I think you may be a little harsh on your fellow countrymen. In every society their are selfish people. It takes time to change the system and people's attitude. In the UK there is much focus on benefit cheats and people working the system and this has been quantified as costing us about 10 billion per year, however tax evasion and avoidance has also been quantified to exceed 50 billion, both areas need dealing with by closing loop holes and improving enforcement, guess which one gets all the attention and action? the public perception of the problem is therefore greater