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- Oct 22, 2015
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short or trans tenon ?
Just add my 2 cents to the tenon argument that was brought up in the past a few times on this thread.
The Les Paul has about the most neck/body contact of almost any traditional electric guitar. The most important "tone" aspect of the neck is where it becomes a solid, inflexible, mass which is the point where the neck no longer has any give to it. This happens way up on the 16'th fret of a Les Paul.
On a, ahem, "transitional" tenon (or most other joint styles) you have about 15+ cubic inches of solid contact with the body. At that 16th fret the neck becomes as solid as the body. The sidewalls & base of the heel with any full contact glue joint really, in effect, become the body of the guitar.
If you think a "long tenon" extra lip of 1 or 1.5 cubic inches at the far end of the heel makes a difference....PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE.
Yes, the argument might be a little more gray if the neck connected at the 20'th fret with a thinner body but at the end of the day it's where the neck makes contact, how well the joint is cut/fit, and the thickness of the body that give that part of the guitar it's character stamp.
But, alas, for the tenon lip coalition I submit object A:
For, this Norlin of infinite sustain beyond the cosmos must be a force of universal reckoning.
My '76 LP Deluxe has so much sustain that is ridiculous..maple neck, rocker tenon..
I really believe that people get stuck in "only the old way is the good way" mentality.
I defy anyone to be able to tell a short rocker tenon vs a long tenon on a recording.
In 1975, along with the change to maple necks, came the short tenon...
Trans in '74, Short started in '75, as did Nashville production. Both tenons are seen in '75, I don't think I've ever seen a Nashville made LP with a Trans though
I just looked through the thread again and it has been covered but a bit confusing. So correct me if I'm wrong but if you have a 3-piece neck its most likely to be Maple, Short Tenon and made in Nashville.....?no real correlation other that the trans to short tenon also took place during the same change over period where Hog necks went to maple etc. You will find trans tenons in both hog and maple....by the time the short tenon appears it is maple
Not necessarily. It depends on what year the guitar is.I just looked through the thread again and it has been covered but a bit confusing. So correct me if I'm wrong but if you have a 3-piece neck its most likely to be Maple, Short Tenon and made in Nashville.....?
So (as far as you know) do some 3-piece necks have a Trans-tenon?Not necessarily. It depends on what year the guitar is
This is the photo I mentioned. To me it looks like Mahogany judging by the end grain, and on the RH side is darker, which means it could be a separate piece of wood (ie. a 3-piece neck) but on the LH side the cable blocks the view so its not conclusiveTransitional neck tenon of my 1973 Custom