FAKE 1959 Gibson Les Paul guitars and the factory ledgers. A Wall Street Journal story 7-10-2020

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Let's put Slash and Joe Bonamassa in the ring for a Guitar duel battle via internet :jb: :slash:

Or better yet a reality showdown each week between guitarist, who may not be known with votes, by the audience, YEAH!
 

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There was a group pic of some guitar experts from some guitar show that included Phil Winfield, Tom Witrock, Rick Norman and some other guy during the Peter Green guitar campaign, can anyone find it on the internet today? MCI guitars had 59's made pretty accurate, Guitar Center loved them...

 
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JD SIMO needs one to!
That one was I believe an 'Agent Smith' emoji from somewhere else, and I just changed the hairline a bit an added a Gibson headstock. Would have to figure what to use for Simo.
 

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That one was I believe an 'Agent Smith' emoji from somewhere else, and I just changed the hairline a bit an added a Gibson headstock. Would have to figure what to use for Simo.
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I am surprised that someone would come to a guitar show and try and pass a fake right in front of known collectors, and dealers. What is the reaction when they are found out? I mean, you have people that know everything to look for beaming in on the example!
What's neat are the experts buying these fake kits, like a few years ago from one of the guitar shows, unfinished Gibson LP's... The Peter Green guitar has a very convincing replica, same grain pattern, cracked neck etc, I hope Kirk got the right one...
 

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Gil had just bought a '60 Burst at auction, reportedly the sale price was $140,000,
and with the buyers premium went out the door at just north of $165,000. I asked
him to hold it up so I could get a picture of it. He picks it up, and slings it over his
shoulder like a Louisville Slugger. At that time, I didn't know "Gilvis" very well, and
I was speechless. Since then I have learned not to be shocked by anything he does.
The point is, People who drop 165 Large for a guitar, know what they are doing. Or
they pay someone who does. Gil has been dealing with Vintage Les Paul guitars
since he was a teenager. The same can be said for Eric Ernest.


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Since you think it's neat, what "experts" are you referring to?
Was it you who had a Goldtop at the Arlington Guitar show for $4K, beyond recovery and only worth $1,500-$2,000 in parts. Neck was broken beyond repair, body sanded to 1-1/2”, did you finally convert this guitar???
 

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Gil had just bought a '60 Burst at auction, reportedly the sale price was $140,000,
and with the buyers premium went out the door at just north of $165,000. I asked
him to hold it up so I could get a picture of it. He picks it up, and slings it over his
shoulder like a Louisville Slugger. At that time, I didn't know "Gilvis" very well, and
I was speechless. Since then I have learned not to be shocked by anything he does.
The point is, People who drop 165 Large for a guitar, know what they are doing. Or
they pay someone who does. Gil has been dealing with Vintage Les Paul guitars
since he was a teenager. The same can be said for Eric Ernest.


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Wish I could toss my Ferarri over my shoulder instead of parking...
 
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Was it you who had a Goldtop at the Arlington Guitar show for $4K, beyond recovery and only worth $1,500-$2,000 in parts. Neck was broken beyond repair, body sanded to 1-1/2”, did you finally convert this guitar???
So how would that be....in your words..."a fake kit?"

It was a boogered up '52 Goldtop....and no, I did not convert it, or make it into a "fake."

Oh, and the electronics sold for more than what you say the entire guitar was worth.
 

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So how would that be....in your words..."a fake kit?"

It was a boogered up '52 Goldtop....and no, I did not convert it, or make it into a "fake."

Oh, and the electronics sold for more than what you say the entire guitar was worth.
Where did you see I called that thing a kit?, there's a lot of bad junk out there for sale, just like there are some wall art 59's that look good but sound like crap.
 

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What's neat are the experts buying these fake kits, like a few years ago from one of the guitar shows, unfinished Gibson LP's.
It certainly did sound to me like you were lumping Vintage Gibson Project Guitars
into a category of "Fake Kits", which to me at least, is something that is not
what it purports to be.


Where did you see I called that thing a kit?, there's a lot of bad junk out there for sale, just like there are some wall art 59's that look good but sound like crap.
If you are going to make Bold, open ended statements like this, it would be
helpful to include some documentation or reference to back up your claim.
While you may be correct, not everyone here is familiar with the guitars you are
referring to.
 

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I have a friend, who gigs, and his rig rarely changes.
The Amp, the Cabinets, The Pedalboard, are always the
same. What will change is the guitar he brings.
Small club, small stage, (or no stage). He will bring
one of his Tokai Les Pauls. Nice big club, Big stage,
he will bring one of his Historic Les Pauls, quite often
his Rossington Les Paul. One of the songs he covers is
"Welcome to the Jungle", usually the last song of the
second set. As they leave the stage, everybody heads to
the bar for a drink, and club owners love to see that.
I can tell the nights he's playing the Tokai. It's shrill,
lifeless, no bottom end, weak mids. It doesn't cut through
the mix, like a Historic Les Paul. I could easily say, hang
that POS on the wall it sounds like crap. I have heard him
play various Vintage Les Pauls, and some sound better than
others, but I have yet to hear one that I thought sounded
like crap. It may be out there, but you can't prove it by me.
 

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Artie and I handled Eric’s “sawn in half” Les Paul. NEVER was it brought up to be represented as anything more than it was.

Why the hate PGguy?

Eric: It’s lonely at the top! :laugh2:
 

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I have a friend, who gigs, and his rig rarely changes.
The Amp, the Cabinets, The Pedalboard, are always the
same. What will change is the guitar he brings.
Small club, small stage, (or no stage). He will bring
one of his Tokai Les Pauls. Nice big club, Big stage,
he will bring one of his Historic Les Pauls, quite often
his Rossington Les Paul. One of the songs he covers is
"Welcome to the Jungle", usually the last song of the
second set. As they leave the stage, everybody heads to
the bar for a drink, and club owners love to see that.
I can tell the nights he's playing the Tokai. It's shrill,
lifeless, no bottom end, weak mids. It doesn't cut through
the mix, like a Historic Les Paul. I could easily say, hang
that POS on the wall it sounds like crap. I have heard him
play various Vintage Les Pauls, and some sound better than
others, but I have yet to hear one that I thought sounded
like crap. It may be out there, but you can't prove it by me.
Put a set of Wizz pickups in the Tokai:dude:
 


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