ES-335 Shopping, need help

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Hi guys,

Been thinking that I'd like to branch out, and pick up a Gibson ES-335. But I don't know anything about them.

For starters, does this look like a long tenon to anyone?

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I'm pretty sure it isn't, but seller is insisting it is. A quick internet search on this model didn't shed any light.

Also, are the "Dot" models similar to the "LP Studio" or am I not understanding the model line up? What version of the guitar would be equivalent to the Les Paul Standard?

I was interested in the Larry Carlton 335, but have read conflicting information about the necks. Plus there aren't many available for sale right now, so the sellers seem to be jacking up their asking prices.

TIA,

Your Hammer
 

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Not sure about the tenon length if they have different lengths or not, here is a picture of my 335 from 2001:

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Same length, not as wide.

Dot just refers to the dot inlays on these.

Best advice for buying a 335: try a bunch out before you buy. They vary a lot. Don't buy based on specs alone, buy based on the overall guitar. A good guitar is a good guitar.
 

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Hi guys,

Been thinking that I'd like to branch out, and pick up a Gibson ES-335. But I don't know anything about them.

For starters, does this look like a long tenon to anyone?

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I'm pretty sure it isn't, but seller is insisting it is. A quick internet search on this model didn't shed any light.

Also, are the "Dot" models similar to the "LP Studio" or am I not understanding the model line up? What version of the guitar would be equivalent to the Les Paul Standard?

I was interested in the Larry Carlton 335, but have read conflicting information about the necks. Plus there aren't many available for sale right now, so the sellers seem to be jacking up their asking prices.

TIA,

Your Hammer
Yes, it is a long tenon.

Judging from the look, probably made at the end of the shift, on a cold friday.
 

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Yes, it is a long tenon.

Judging from the look, probably made at the end of the shift, on a cold friday.
Really? I honestly don't know a thing about tenons, never seen one in real life. The pictures always confuse the hell out of me.

I found this online:

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To me, if it truly was a long tenon, then it would be solid all the way down. In the earlier picture I posted, it looks like a piece of veneer that is eroding and pulling up, exposing nothing underneath.
 

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Really? I honestly don't know a thing about tenons, never seen one in real life. The pictures always confuse the hell out of me.

I found this online:

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To me, if it truly was a long tenon, then it would be solid all the way down. In the earlier picture I posted, it looks like a piece of veneer that is eroding and pulling up, exposing nothing underneath.
You are looking at a long tenon for a mortise without the pickup cavity, which if present needs that tenon to be like a L. Like this;



It’s just that little tongue that you can see on the cavity.
I agree that looks like thin tongue in your pic, but these guitars are very inconsistent from year to year, so you could find any genre of oddity. :)
 

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I agree that looks like thin tongue in your pic, but these guitars are very inconsistent from year to year, so you could find any genre of oddity. :)
Great photo and description! Thank you.

Took me a second to realize that the neck in your picture was on it's side. Once I figured that out, I understood your point.

The top piece of that tenon extension is awfully thin, much thinner that the one in your photo. But at least it confirms that it is in fact a long tenon. I guess they had to shave it down to get the pick up to fit into the cavity?
 

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I guess they had to shave it down to get the pick up to fit into the cavity?
Correct.

The neck meet the body prior the routing. When glue is dry, they route for pickups, and here it comes the depth of the route. The deeper the route, the thinner the tenon tongue. This is why, most of the long tenon corksniffery, it’s plain BS.







 

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I‘m pretty sure the 335 „Studio“ is the equivalent to the LP Studio if one can make this comparison. The „Dot“ or „Figured“ or any model with block inlays are the equivalent to the LP Standard. The latter ones are all fantastic guitars. I think they have pretty skinny necks tho. Mine has one anyway. I truly love my 2015 Memphis with block inlays.
 

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Nothing wrong with dots, that how the model started out in the 50s,then they switched to block inlays.
As said above the Studio model is the cheapest option, along with the satin finished ones.
Try as many as you can, that's good advice.
When I was in the market for one I actually ended up buying an Es 339, I preferred it.
 

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I I think they have pretty skinny necks tho. Mine has one anyway. I truly love my 2015 Memphis with block inlays.
Yeah, that concerns me. I have a LP with a 60's profile neck, and it's not my favorite.

I read that the necks were a tad thicker in '69, and that's what the Larry Carlton 335 was.

Just gonna head out an play as many as I can find. Everyone seems to rave about them, and I am intrigued.
 

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Yeah, that concerns me. I have a LP with a 60's profile neck, and it's not my favorite.

I read that the necks were a tad thicker in '69, and that's what the Larry Carlton 335 was.

Just gonna head out an play as many as I can find. Everyone seems to rave about them, and I am intrigued.
I always thought neck thickness doesn’t matter as long as it’s not crazy big. You can adapt to anything. But now that i have another really good guitar with a bigger neck i know it makes a difference. Vibrato is different but i couldn’t say which one i like more. But i heard the current ones got a little bigger than my 2015.

Is it possible to briefly describe the difference?
It’s the basically same guitar with a much smaller body. Not a good option if you’re a purist or you’re into vintage style stuff.
 

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LC is made in Memphis, comes with 57 Classics, a Graphite nut, Schaller tuners, Nashville Bridge (not every seller mentions this, so i’m not sure) and witch hat knobs.

Figured (and probably Dot) has HMS II pickups, Grovers (mine had Milk Bottles), locking tailpiece.

I would (and i actually did) get myself a Figured/Dot (today i‘d buy a Natural Figured), put a aluminium taipiece and steel studs (i also put a 1965 bridge on mine) and be the happiest man in my town.
 

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LC is made in Memphis, comes with 57 Classics, a Graphite nut, Schaller tuners, Nashville Bridge (not every seller mentions this, so i’m not sure) and witch hat knobs.

Figured (and probably Dot) has HMS II pickups, Grovers (mine had Milk Bottles), locking tailpiece.

I would (and i actually did) get myself a Figured/Dot (today i‘d buy a Natural Figured), put a aluminium taipiece and steel studs (i also put a 1965 bridge on mine) and be the happiest man in my town.
So, my search continues. Went to GC in my town, they had NO Gibbys, just Epiphone. Which felt like crap in my hands.

I did, on the way out, spot an Epiphone pro, which had a nice comfortable neck. But I'm at the point in my life where I would prefer to spend my money on a higher quality instrument.

The new ES-335 that I put the link to probably can be had for under $3500. The current crop of Larry Carlton's have asking prices of $3500 to $4500, even though Reverb has them being worth less ($2800 to $3500 IIRC)

I was hoping to get into one for $3000 at the most. A forum member sold a beautiful red 335 for $2000 last week, but it had a 60's slim neck, so I stayed away.

Quality wise, how would you stack up the new Gibson versus the Larry Carlton's? I'm sitting on my cash right now, but am considering buying a new Figured since the price point is similar.

I finally know what I'm doing when it comes to Les Pauls, but only after making several mistakes. Trying to avoid that again.
 

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So, my search continues. Went to GC in my town, they had NO Gibbys, just Epiphone. Which felt like crap in my hands.

I did, on the way out, spot an Epiphone pro, which had a nice comfortable neck. But I'm at the point in my life where I would prefer to spend my money on a higher quality instrument.

The new ES-335 that I put the link to probably can be had for under $3500. The current crop of Larry Carlton's have asking prices of $3500 to $4500, even though Reverb has them being worth less ($2800 to $3500 IIRC)

I was hoping to get into one for $3000 at the most. A forum member sold a beautiful red 335 for $2000 last week, but it had a 60's slim neck, so I stayed away.

Quality wise, how would you stack up the new Gibson versus the Larry Carlton's? I'm sitting on my cash right now, but am considering buying a new Figured since the price point is similar.

I finally know what I'm doing when it comes to Les Pauls, but only after making several mistakes. Trying to avoid that again.
I must admit i have some serious GAS for a Epi Casino but other than that i wouldn't touch the Epis. I tried a Jorma Kaukonen 335 once and it was terrible. The Gibsons i tried all felt really good. The 63 and 59 (i think) reissues all have bigger necks and felt even a little better than the Standards but they are also a lot more expensive. The latest Freddie King 345 is also an outstanding guitar. I never seen a Larry Carlton so i can't help you with that. I really can't stand the late 60s orange cherry burst so this one was never an option.

I just checked the current models and i'm surprised how much the prices have gone up! I got my 2015 Memphis for around 3000 new in a guitar shop here in expensive switzerland.

I was living in the US and would be in the market for a new 335 i would die for this one:


and this as a second choice (which would be the same guitar as mine just in a better color and without the mods):

 


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