Entitlement

[KSG_Standard]

Worked 3rd shift for a major retailer that was open 24/7 years ago

When they saw someone shoplifting a page would be made over the PA something like, "Jim Smith you have a call on line two".

It was then our job to slowly head for the front entrance and remain discreetly out of sight so when Mr. six cartons of cigarettes stuffed in his coat showed up there was an option.

Stop and be escorted to the security office or get tackled by six guys looking for some excitement and then be escorted to the security office.

That policy ended one year when an employee was stabbed and killed at another store trying to stop someone.

It's disheartening letting them get away but people in the story above could of lost their life over $100 worth of food.

Better to pull surveillance video, file a police report, and know people like them are probably hanging themselves with drugs and alcohol.

When I was an assistant manager of a large grocery story in Houston, back in the 1980s, we had a similar code. Back then we didn't let shoplifters walk, we stopped them and held them for the police. On one occasion, I heard the code over the PA and went up front in time to see a guy hurrying out of the store with something in his hands. I caught up to him in the parking lot and he was carrying a pretty good sized roast.

I told him to stop and he took off running...without thinking, I ran after him. I chased that bastard for at least a half a mile and when he figured out that he wasn't getting away, he stopped, dropped the meat and pulled a knife. So, I stopped and decided he could have the meat. About that time, a tow truck driver who had seen what was happening, pulled over and came running up to us with a shotgun.

With the driver's help we got the thief back to the store and sat him down on the floor in the warehouse to wait for the police. They came and picked him up and took him away.

I figured out right then and there, that dying over somebody else's merchandise or money was not reasonable.

 

[mdubya]

Have you been to BWW lately? That's about 40 wings.

In Morgantown, WV going to BWW was like going to Morton's for those people.

 

[redking]

This happened here a couple of times in my area in the last few years with employees at gas stations getting run over and killed trying to stop a speeding vehicle from getting away. These folks, I guess, felt some sort of duty to stop a thief on behalf of Imperial Oil or Shell. On their first day of training they should be told "DO NOT RISK YOUR LIFE FOR $100 IN GAS"

 

[six-string]

Back when I worked on ships, we sometimes had to do a stowaway search before leaving certain ports.
Nobody ever said what we were supposed to do if they didn’t just throw up their hands and go awwww you got me!!!
Years ago, I found one in Egypt. I don’t know why he wanted to leave and I’m not judging his story. But he made a decision that I wasn’t gonna stop him.
I had to stop him.
So I stopped him.
Since it was an engineering space and I was the wiper (engine department), I also had to go back and clean up his blood.

But I was defending me.…
I didn’t care where he wanted to go.

Did you make him walk the plank?

 

[mdubya]

This is the "generally accepted knowledge" - but really it's not the Car's fault.

True, BMW's have much more horsepower and can be "difficult" to control in the snow. But not if you are a good (snow) driver. I don't like or enjoy driving in the snow in mine, but I do have to do it on occasion. I've mostly been able to drive in the snow without incident. BUT .... you can't "drive it like you usually do".

I also have the advantage of having "Race" training, as well as having been an Instructor at Car Control Schools. It's way more dependent on the skill of the Driver, combined with required "good sense". Which is not an option found in most BMW's.

I used to hoon my 4x4 trucks and my old Ford Escort and any number of American made company fleet cars.

I am a bit more shy with the Macan. Not that is it not capable, more that my bank account is not comfortably capable to cover a write off.

 

[edro]

They'll receive a stern talking to. That'll show em.... Yeah buddy.... Straight and narrow for them from now on.....

Yep. A stern talking to is what they need.

 

[Marshall & Moonshine]

Did you make him walk the plank?

We were at the dock.
He was escorted off the ship.
I don’t know what happened to him after that.

 

[Spartom]

In Morgantown, WV going to BWW was like going to Morton's for those people.

I like BWW, but the wings I got at the one in Morgantown were undercooked.

Primanti Bros > BWW

 

[James R]

I get a kick out of how people tend to blame the parents for shit like this.
I don't know about any of you, but I did some stupid and bad shit as a teenager, and my parents had nothing to do with my decisions to do those stupid or bad things.

I was raised with morals and standards, to do the right thing, not to bow to peer pressure, and to fear my dad if I decided not to follow these guidelines.

When I left the house though, my parents weren't there to stop me from doing stupid shit, I did it voluntarily, knowing the entire time that what I was doing was not falling under those rules, because I was a fucking stupid and stubborn kid that thought I knew better than they did and was too smart to get caught (...and I never did, lol).

So, to the people who say its the parents fault, did you never do something stupid or illegal that could've ended badly?
If you did, do you think it was your parents fault you did it?

These kids are fuckwads, and I have never done something as stupid as that, there's no question there.
Innocent people could've been killed, and it's pretty much just blind luck that nobody was seriously injured.
I just don't know that it's their parents fault is all I'm saying.

 

[PapaSquash]

Indeed. I believe the "no passengers under 18" law applies in Maryland. It must not apply in Virginia because there have been incidents in VA with carloads of teens under 18 recently with no mentions of it being illegal.

I drove like a lunatic (some would say I still do) at 16 and regularly had a carload of other under 18 kids with me. We didn't even have seat belt laws.

There is some kind of law like that in MN but it is (or was) complicated , and I don't know anybody who follows it to the letter. Something like "no more than one unrelated minor in the car" and night restriction. By attempting to make "reasonable " exceptions they made it so that hardly anybody knows the details. There was a push to simplify, but my kids are older now so I stopped paying attention.

I do know that when my oldest was figure skating in high school she sometimes left for morning ice before school while the "no night driving" restriction was still in effect.

 

[bilbarstow]

I used to hoon my 4x4 trucks and my old Ford Escort and any number of American made company fleet cars.

I am a bit more shy with the Macan. Not that is it not capable, more that my bank account is not comfortably capable to cover a write off.

See, to me, your video looks like the definition of fun. It's a LOT easier to Drift on snow-slick roads. We taught on a skid pad, wet down and soaped by a Fire Truck. But the "practical" problem around here is all the rural roads have generally steep and deep culverts (no underground drains). Combine that with off-camber corners, and it's almost a guarantee that you'll be calling a tow truck, IF you don't also damage your car.

Last Winter, I had to pull someone's car (Honda) out of my cornfield (already cut down). And (she) had been driving on a straight road that bordered my property. I have absolutely zero Idea how she got that FAR off road (about 50 yards !), but I was able to pull it out with my Tractor (with her Husband driving the Honda). Snow and Ice can turn an oops into an OH SHIT ! in a heartbeat.

 

[mdubya]

See, to me, your video looks like the definition of fun. It's a LOT easier to Drift on snow-slick roads. We taught on a skid pad, wet down and soaped by a Fire Truck. But the "practical" problem around here is all the rural roads have generally steep and deep culverts (no underground drains). Combine that with off-camber corners, and it's almost a guarantee that you'll be calling a tow truck, IF you don't also damage your car.

Last Winter, I had to pull someone's car (Honda) out of my cornfield (already cut down). And (she) had been driving on a straight road that bordered my property. I have absolutely zero Idea how she got that FAR off road (about 50 yards !), but I was able to pull it out with my Tractor (with her Husband driving the Honda). Snow and Ice can turn an oops into an OH SHIT ! in a heartbeat.

Absolutely 100% fun.

My old Ford Ranger was ridiculous amounts of fun in the snow and I never even thought twice about running through a ditch or a snow bank: I was dumb and the truck was like a tank.

The F150 was much bigger and much heavier, so required a lot more caution, but still fun and fairly capable.

I cringe at the thought of bouncing off of a curb or stuffing the Macan in a snow bank.

 

[Dilemma]

We reap what we sow.

These are our fucking kids doing this shit.

This is just the beginning.

That said, who’s running after a group of people who bailed on Buffalo fucking Wild Wings??

Just try to get a picture, tell the manager and go to the next table.
I’m sure they’re all on security cameras already.

I feel like the manager should explain this to the employees on Day 1:
Please don’t try to apprehend anyone—you’re not qualified or authorized.

Agreed. OTOH, this employee recognized a wrong and attempted to do something about it. Letting them go is probably the correct action. Then again, "Fuck this. Pay your bill cocksucker" indicates this employee has *some* moral compass. (Even if it get's her killed)

 

[Leee]

No doubt her parents think she's the most wonderful gift to planet Earth that ever happened. The Second Coming. They bought her a luxury car but apparently didn't give her money for food.

There was a new name coined for this unfortunate malady several years ago.
Affluenza.

 

[Leee]

I get a kick out of how people tend to blame the parents for shit like this.
… … I just don't know that it's their parents fault is all I'm saying.

I agree with you, about 98%.

I had older siblings that I got to watch, so when it was my turn, I was smart enough to either get away with what I was doing or to stop before it got out of hand.

But underage kids are the responsibility of the parents, regardless of how we feel about it.

The parents have a choice.
They can sit down with the prosecutor and wash their hands of it and hand their shit-head kid over to the system, or they can lawyer up and spend a shit load of money to mitigate any consequences.

This is where the “affluenza” problem comes into play.

If this was some playground bullshit, and those girls were on bicycles?
OK, then it’s a kid thing maybe.
Petty theft.

But doing this while engaged in adult activities, like driving a car?
They’re in the adult world, and they are expected to make adult decisions.
They clearly fucked it up.
There is a price to be paid.
No sympathy from me.

 

[James R]

I agree with you, about 98%.

I had older siblings that I got to watch, so when it was my turn, I was smart enough to either get away with what I was doing or to stop before it got out of hand.

But underage kids are the responsibility of the parents, regardless of how we feel about it.

The parents have a choice.
They can sit down with the prosecutor and wash their hands of it and hand their shit-head kid over to the system, or they can lawyer up and spend a shit load of money to mitigate any consequences.

This is where the “affluenza” problem comes into play.

If this was some playground bullshit, and those girls were on bicycles?
OK, then it’s a kid thing maybe.
Petty theft.

But doing this while engaged in adult activities, like driving a car?
They’re in the adult world, and they are expected to make adult decisions.
They clearly fucked it up.
There is a price to be paid.
No sympathy from me.

Dude, they get no sympathy from me either, I hope I didn't somehow imply that they did in my post.
I just know the sort of stuff we were doing at 16 and 17 years old.
We had licenses, we had cars (well, some of us anyways), and we did stupid stuff that our parents never would have condoned or supported.
Had we been caught, it wouldve been solely on us.
our parents didnt actually go out of their way to teach us to break the law or do stupud and potentially dangerous stuff.

 

[Marshall & Moonshine]

Agreed. OTOH, this employee recognized a wrong and attempted to do something about it. Letting them go is probably the correct action. Then again, "Fuck this. Pay your bill cocksucker" indicates this employee has *some* moral compass. (Even if it get's her killed)

I get it. It's frustrating to me that we can no longer enact a bit of justice without concerns for legal repercussions, but that's the world we've built.
Remember the old stories about thieves falling through skylights and suing the homeowners, and shit like that?

We had our chance back then to fix this and we slept on it.
But it didn't sleep on us.

I really can't wait to be dead.
This world has lost its goddam mind.

 

[Bobby Mahogany]

Yes, it seems like a lot for 3 girls but maybe they were taking some back for other kids too.

Their pimps?

 

[Marshall & Moonshine]

I get a kick out of how people tend to blame the parents for shit like this.
I don't know about any of you, but I did some stupid and bad shit as a teenager, and my parents had nothing to do with my decisions to do those stupid or bad things.

I was raised with morals and standards, to do the right thing, not to bow to peer pressure, and to fear my dad if I decided not to follow these guidelines.

When I left the house though, my parents weren't there to stop me from doing stupid shit, I did it voluntarily, knowing the entire time that what I was doing was not falling under those rules, because I was a fucking stupid and stubborn kid that thought I knew better than they did and was too smart to get caught (...and I never did, lol).

So, to the people who say its the parents fault, did you never do something stupid or illegal that could've ended badly?
If you did, do you think it was your parents fault you did it?

These kids are fuckwads, and I have never done something as stupid as that, there's no question there.
Innocent people could've been killed, and it's pretty much just blind luck that nobody was seriously injured.
I just don't know that it's their parents fault is all I'm saying.

I (and dare I say we all???) did TONS of stupid shit.
But if something had gone wrong, I would have viewed the jail cell as protection against coming home to the REAL consequences.

I think a lot of us probably had similar situations.

"Your dad's here with your bail."
"Hard pass, officer."

 

[MikeyTheCat]

In Morgantown, WV going to BWW was like going to Morton's for those people.

Hey pal, my money went to Mountaineer-land.