End of Makeovers

Discussion in 'Historics & Reissues' started by Schofnsteen, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Schofnsteen

    Schofnsteen Member

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    With Gibson releasing Brazilian boards as well as more to come (aging, TM aged) etc, will this impact 3rd party Makeovers??
     

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  2. Duane_the_tub

    Duane_the_tub Senior Member

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    Not a chance. Gibson would still need to get a bunch of other things right to compete with the likes of HM.
     
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  3. BadMojo

    BadMojo MLP Vendor

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    (3rd Party Makeover guy here)

    Duane_the_tub said it best. In addition, one could take a less expensive LP and send it out for a refin and have a killer guitar for way less.

    ;)
     
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    mfolet Senior Member

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    Like what?
     
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    Farquad Double Platinum Supporter

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    Off topic, but Schofnsteen I totally love that Orca avatar you have. Hubers are so sweet.

    On topic, I doubt it. If you look at the aging quality of HM's or Florian... they are leaps and bounds more realistic in the aging than Gibsons. This is based on the ones I have seen and played. I dont own any make overs myself.
     
  6. Sct13

    Sct13 Gold Supporter Premium Member

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    Gibson was/is trying to kill this cottage industry
     
  7. solsurfr

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    I owned a Dave Johnson Makeover R9 for a couple of years and loved it. If I had another older R9 that I got a deal on and wanted to makeover, I'd do it again without thinking about it. Apples and Oranges when comparing these with the investment market of stock, Brazilian R9's, imho.
     
  8. mudface

    mudface Senior Member

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    Ahh........No.
     
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  9. bossaddict

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    I think the closer Gibson continues to get, the more it would eat into the makeover market and the Braz board was a big one; however, the price point will keep many buying used and sending out for the makeover.

    For me, the only real remaining things are the vintage-correct nitro, logo, and neck carve. I might be overlooking something, but those are the only ones that I can think of that are still "missing." There have been some good neck carves here and there (e.g., R5 Hot-Mod run, CC#7, and some R0s), but more often than not, they're just not right, IMO.
     
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    Duane_the_tub Senior Member

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    Nitro mix and finish, paint hues, tenon/pocket shape and joining, top/body glue, aging, numerous parts details (pickup cover corners, knobs, switch tip, etc.). I am by no means an expert, but Kim at HM has done a number of side-by-sides when he has real Bursts come across his bench, and listed all the differences on the stock reissue Gibsons he gets in to be remade. There really is a long way to go, and it seems as though the makeover experts get closer than the original manufacturer in a number of ways.
     
  11. Crotch

    Crotch Delete My Account Entirely Double Platinum Supporter Premium Member

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    Inlays too. Aging if that's your thing looks better from Kim and Co too.

    I'd take an hm or Dave Johnson (enamored with his work) over a straight Gibson custom shop any day of the week, unless I was a collector.
     
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  12. Bobby Mahogany

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    People do what they do.
    HM and others have their own signatures.
    You can call them up, discuss, send them pics, have pics sent, the works.
    Gibson refin/makeover would appeal to a certain crowd, let's call it
    Gibson Crowd, that would feel more secure, that would like to claim that it's Gibson madeover,
    bla bla bla.

    Eventually, but it might be my kids that have it done many years from now
    ('cause they cost so much right now these damned kids!), my '67 SG would have to be
    refinished, with patina and all.
    I would probably send it to HM or another small place to have it done.
    A small shop owner is who you want to deal with.
    I wouldn't want to deal with Gibson employees.
     
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  13. RAG7890

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    ........just everything. PU’s, Pots, Caps, Nitro, Wood, Aging, Fit & Finish, Fretwork, some Hardware.

    Give me an Italian Job any day.

    But hey, some people can’t tell the difference. :laugh2:

    :cheers2:
     
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    Like me Rudi.

    I like my box stock Gibsons just fine.
     
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    I think it could if Gibson makes a lot of them...but they have to make a lot of Brazilians. Some people are strange and only want unmodified guitars, historics are often seen as investments, and none hold their value better than all original Brazilians (except JPs).
     
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    I have never modified any of my reissues, even with that said i really love to have HM do a make over for me if i find the right candidate for the project. As long as there are folks like me, i think the makeover business will continue no matter how close Gibson can get, there are too many guitars out there that can use a makeover.
     
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    I have an R6/7 conversion that was "madeover" by Gord Miller. When I had the guitar outfitted with vintage parts, and housed in a '50s Lifton, it fooled several vintage dealers. I owned an R8 that had a complete RDS makeover by Kim and Co; and the work was beyond amazing. Makeovers take your guitar into a whole new level, that Gibson just can't match (yet). That being said, if I bought a current reissue, I'd leave it alone.
     
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    What is exactly the point in buying a Gibson and then changing so many things that sometimes its only the raw wood to stay the same? Wouldnt be better to invest in a replica instead? Not a provocation, just a honest curiosity from a guy that its miles away from these things (never been interested in makovers).
     
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    rockinlespaul Recovering Oxblood Addict V.I.P. Member

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    Yes Pier, it would.
     
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    For me Pier, it's just to have one, it is as simple as that. I know it's stupid, but they look like a work of art. There are too many Historics out there for them to be sacred and good deals to be had like 2012's...... Perfect for such a project..... All I need is one...... My other Historics are gonna stay the way they are.:D
     

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