Educators deciding fate of teacher who appeared in porn

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I prefer mass genocide to "ass to mouth" myself, Thump.

I have no problem with ass to mouth
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Too much to sift through, but someone said something about "example to children"...

I wonder who taught them to search for porn.

Prolly not that teacher.
 

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This should be someone's sig.



In 7th grade, we were pretty sure that my English teacher was gay. He knew about the rumors. The nonchalance with which he handled them was in itself a good lesson to learn, for me.



At this point in time, ass-to-mouth ≠ racism or substance abuse. Load the argument much?

The fact that you'd make such a silly comparison is startling, to say the least. What sexual act between consenting adults even approaches the evils of racism?

I'll take "a sense of proportion" for $500, Alex.

OK, you're right, racism sucks. How about just sticking to sexist jokes that most women would find humiliating (as they do porn)? I would be done as an educator.

Bottom line is there is no way to keep something like this quiet. Porn and children together is ugly, no matter how you look at it. She may be a good teacher but she won't ever be getting away from this, short of an identity change. She will always find opposition, especially from students' mothers.
 

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A while back, Oregon had a "problem" with a teacher who had had a prostitution conviction on her record...

IIRC, they had to change a bunch of laws to make sure that didn't happen again.
 

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I prefer mass genocide to "ass to mouth" myself, Thump.

I wasn't envisioning you giving it, yourself, JMV.

OK, you're right, racism sucks. How about just sticking to sexist jokes that most women would find humiliating (as they do porn)? I would be done as an educator.

Bottom line is there is no way to keep something like this quiet. Porn and children together is ugly, no matter how you look at it. She may be a good teacher but she won't ever be getting away from this, short of an identity change. She will always find opposition, especially from students' mothers.

... and thus we revert to my earlier point, that this is permitting children to call the shots on who is at the head of the class, by outing those they don't like.

Also, as for "opposition" from the students' parents, I refer you to my local newspaper's story on the matter. Not one parent mentioned this in Wednesday night's school board meeting.

Please, if we're going to discuss this, do me the courtesy of reading my posts; otherwise, you're simply hectoring. If you're not going to read my posts, I won't bother discussing this with you. Communication is a two-way street.
 

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I wasn't envisioning you giving it, yourself, JMV.



... and thus we revert to my earlier point, that this is permitting children to call the shots on who is at the head of the class, by outing those they don't like.

Also, as for "opposition" from the students' parents, I refer you to my local newspaper's story on the matter. Not one parent mentioned this in Wednesday night's school board meeting.

Please, if we're going to discuss this, do me the courtesy of reading my posts; otherwise, you're simply hectoring. If you're not going to read my posts, I won't bother discussing this with you. Communication is a two-way street.
I have read them. I could say the same for you Thump. Dont get sucky.

And if the parents don't mind, then there is likely no problem, for now. However, I believe she will not be able to manage both personnas.

And and as for your comment that the more hateful aspects of porn are not equal to racism, I would argue that there are a vast majority of women who would find most porn just that, extremely hateful towards women.
 

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I have read them.

In that case, you're simply trolling. I've presented a fact: that the parents here aren't worried about it, as reported by our paper. You repeat your assertion that parental concern undermines the teacher's effectiveness, after that fact has already been rebutted by an objective outside source.

I could say the same for you Thump. Dont get sucky.

I've read your posts, and taken the time to detail my disagreements. Please cut & paste where I'm repeating an assertion you've already shown false -- as you have done here. You cannot, because I haven't treated you like that. All I'm asking for is reciprocity in courtesy. If that's too much for you to manage, so be it.

And if the parents don't mind, then there is likely no problem, for now. However, I believe she will not be able to manage both personnas.

Perhaps, or perhaps not. I don't see that you're any authority on her personality, though.

And and as for your comment that the more hateful aspects of porn are not equal to racism, I would argue that there are a vast majority of women who would find most porn just that, extremely hateful towards women.

Feel free to argue that, then. Just don't think that the mere assertion is evidence, because it isn't. Bring data.
 

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Where are you getting these two personnas from? She is no longer doing porn so there is only one personna to deal with here. The problem is with those who can't look away from the past and that's not her fault.

I agree, people should be able to get past her past. Now see my earlier comment on the word should.
 

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Ass to mouth is not equal to pumping gas.

It's also not equal to say... Murder, or crime, or lots of things. It's a sexual act, and a pretty specific one that's not universally performed in the porn world. Just saying.

Involvement in porn does not necessarily = "Ass to mouth".
 

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OK, you're right, racism sucks. How about just sticking to sexist jokes that most women would find humiliating (as they do porn)? I would be done as an educator.

Bottom line is there is no way to keep something like this quiet. Porn and children together is ugly, no matter how you look at it. She may be a good teacher but she won't ever be getting away from this, short of an identity change. She will always find opposition, especially from students' mothers.

Again, this is generalizing somewhat. Most of the women I know aren't humiliated or offended by the existence of porn. Some actually like it. Others just ignore it, and don't think it's demeaning to women.

My main problem with all of this is this idea that teachers have to maintain some sort of purity standard. How would this be enforced? A detailed questionaire about their sexual past? Questions like "Have you ever performed ass to mouth sex on film?"

Does that sound like the kind of scrutiny that potential teachers should have to endure? I have a problem with that.
 

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It's also not equal to say... Murder, or crime, or lots of things. It's a sexual act, and a pretty specific one that's not universally performed in the porn world. Just saying.

Involvement in porn does not necessarily = "Ass to mouth".

From what I've seen from recent movies, it appears to be the norm. And in the case of this teacher, from my own 'perverted' curiosity, she wasn't doing 'couples' videos or feminist porn.

BTW, I don't have a problem with porn although the more extreme aspects I find distasteful (though I assume ATM is full-flavored:laugh2: ). I see no need to censor it and policing it seems as foolish as the war on drugs. I would work with this teacher and be able to deal with it as would many of my colleagues IMO.

But communities are a funny thing and the 'mama bear' mothers are a reality of any school community. We have little choice but to bend to their will (do you really believe that teachers want to 'teach to tests'? This is something taxpayers-parents- have demanded, believing that they demonstrate competence). Thump is the only parent who has defended the teacher on this thread; unless I'm wrong, I think most parents (at least in my community) would not be able to tolerate this.
 

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Does that sound like the kind of scrutiny that potential teachers should have to endure? I have a problem with that.

Whether you approve or not, this scrutiny is the reality of being a teacher.
 

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Whether you approve or not, this scrutiny is the reality of being a teacher.

I don't doubt that. I've long maintained that teachers are underpaid and deal with a lot of BS as well.

But I don't believe that they should lose all rights to a private life or should be expected to be sexless robots either... Regardless of what the community thinks. They don't give up their civil rights for a teaching career. By that reasoning, teachers would be at the mercy of the lowest common denominator parent, who thinks that because a portion of their taxes goes to that teacher's paycheck, that they must live up to that parent's moral code.

If she loses her job because of this controversy, I hope she sues the shit out of the school district.
 

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But communities are a funny thing and the 'mama bear' mothers are a reality of any school community. We have little choice but to bend to their will (do you really believe that teachers want to 'teach to tests'? This is something taxpayers-parents- have demanded, believing that they demonstrate competence). Thump is the only parent who has defended the teacher on this thread; unless I'm wrong, I think most parents (at least in my community) would not be able to tolerate this.

In this thread, sure. But obviously, parents here aren't terribly worried. Read the comments under this article. There are plenty of people who share my view. Clearly, your attempt at argumentum ad populum may well be the case in Canada, but not here.
 

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In this thread, sure. But obviously, parents here aren't terribly worried. Read the comments under this article. There are plenty of people who share my view. Clearly, your attempt at argumentum ad populum may well be the case in Canada, but not here.

I read that article and acknowledged the possibility this could blow over. However, I will note that the teacher has been placed on leave since the discovery. Will she survive if she returns to the school? Will parents rally to keep her there?
 

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