Educators deciding fate of teacher who appeared in porn

[bertzie]

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Berzie, I have been reading some of your posts in other treads, and I am becoming a fan.

 

[Toris93]

Shouldnt her skills as a teacher be the most important thing?.....













oh wait, i forgot that people are retarded.

 

[CHUNKYNECK]

I gotta wonder if the fans of the porn star teacher needed to hire a babysitter to look after your kids around 30 hours a week and you had a choice between 2 girls, both good babysitters but one was a porn star on the weekends. Which one would you choose?


Note that this is not a dump on anyone. It's a simple question that i think will provide some interesting answers.

 

[lespaul01]

Shouldnt her skills as a teacher be the most important thing?.....




oh wait, i forgot that people are retarded.

Absolutely, especially if she is teaching sex ed

 

[Rich]

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[SWeAT hOg]

Perhaps those parents should lock down their kids' computers a little tighter or monitor what the hell they're looking at on the web. Either spend some time with their kids on the web or spend some money on filtering software.

I had a teacher in high school who spent his summer vacations pumping gas. Should he have been fired from his teaching job because students might have got the impression that somehow their teacher wasn't all knowing in his subject and that's why he had to work a minimum wage job to supplement his income?

Parents aren't the only factor. Older siblings provide the access. It's a situation that cannot be kept airtight. And all you need is one. As well, parents 'should' be responsible, but they aren't always. We have issues with porn being brought in on i-pods by students who 'should' not have access to it show their buddies whose parents are trying to keep a lid on it.

Ass to mouth is not equal to pumping gas.

 

[Skintaster]

I gotta wonder if the fans of the porn star teacher needed to hire a babysitter to look after your kids around 30 hours a week and you had a choice between 2 girls, both good babysitters but one was a porn star on the weekends. Which one would you choose?


Note that this is not a dump on anyone. It's a simple question that i think will provide some interesting answers.

Which is the better babysitter? That would dictate my choice.

Besides, people have stuff in their pasts and even their "presents" that have no effect on their ability to teach or take care of children. Would I rather have an ex "porn star" take care of my kids or the guy that secretly is a raging drunk on weekends?

The only reason this is a "big deal" is because people have a hypocritical view of "fallen women" and sex in this country. If this teacher did all of the same stuff she did in her videos in her personal life, no one would be able to criticize her... But they probably would anyway, because people are stupid like that.

If I was a parent, I'd have a lot more concerns about my kids teachers than whether or not she did anal or gave bjs on film.

What about gay teachers? Some closed minded people have a problem with gays, but should they also be prevented from teaching? Just using them as an example... There are tons of people that some individuals disagree with their lifestyles or whatnot. Should they be banned from teaching.

That's my biggest problem with all of this. That some think teachers shouls have to live by a moral compass in their personal lives that's stricter than that of many kid's parents.

 

[SWeAT hOg]

Unless the kids aren't learning anything at all, it is not effecting it enough to warrant termination. If the PARENT doesn't want their child learning from a porn actress, it is the PARENT that is impeding the child's education, not the teacher.

Since being a porn actress wasn't effecting her job BEFORE people knew about it, it's clear that she's a competent teacher. And until the education the students are receiving is no longer at an acceptable level, there is no reason she should lose her job.

I don't disagree with you. If this woman was a private prostitute then I see your point. It's the very public nature of porn that makes this complicated.

However, as Thump mentioned, the parents aren't up in arms (this is happening in California after all) so perhaps she will be spared.

I have no doubt however as social media has become a daily reality, I do see a day when clauses are put into contracts that will make it easier to fire employees of any kind that have video histories some people would have a problem with.

 

[nauc]

There is, when you're supposed to be setting examples for children.

Don't want the responsibility? Find another career. And, if she's into doing porn, then that takes care of that, right there.

so adults cant do what they want, when the kids arent around

thats it, we're all fuked

 

[Rich]

Parents aren't the only factor. Older siblings provide the access. It's a situation that cannot be kept airtight. And all you need is one. As well, parents 'should' be responsible, but they aren't always. We have issues with porn being brought in on i-pods by students who 'should' not have access to it show their buddies whose parents are trying to keep a lid on it.

Ass to mouth is not equal to pumping gas.

I hear ya and I know it's impossible for a parent to monitor every single thing their kid does, especially in the Internet age. But, here's another example...

When I was probably around 10,11, or 12 years old, I went with my father to a local pub to pick up a pizza we had ordered. When we were inside the place, I was shocked to see some of my previous teacher inside drinking beer and smoking cigarettes. This was 35 years ago and I still remember it clear as day. Now, it was a different time back then but, if it happened today and my then-impressionable brain was damaged and I went around school and told everyone that I saw these teachers drinking and smoking, should they have been penalized for me seeing them doing that? Should they have been reprimanded and told that if they wanted to have a few beers and a smoke after work, that they would have to go somewhere that isn't so local?

I feel that what a teacher, or anyone else, does on their own time is their own business. If she's a good teacher, then she's a good teacher and if some kids see her doing something on her own time that some might find disturbing, that shouldn't be her issue.

 

[CHUNKYNECK]

Which is the better babysitter? That would dictate my choice.

Besides, people have stuff in their pasts and even their "presents" that have no effect on their ability to teach or take care of children. Would I rather have an ex "porn star" take care of my kids or the guy that secretly is a raging drunk on weekends?

The only reason this is a "big deal" is because people have a hypocritical view of "fallen women" and sex in this country. If this teacher did all of the same stuff she did in her videos in her personal life, no one would be able to criticize her... But they probably would anyway, because people are stupid like that.

If I was a parent, I'd have a lot more concerns about my kids teachers than whether or not she did anal or gave bjs on film.

What about gay teachers? Some closed minded people have a problem with gays, but should they also be prevented from teaching? Just using them as an example... There are tons of people that some individuals disagree with their lifestyles or whatnot. Should they be banned from teaching.

That's my biggest problem with all of this. That some think teachers shouls have to live by a moral compass in their personal lives that's stricter than that of many kid's parents.

I agree with most of that.

I'll try answer it myself. Keep in mind i don't have kids and don't know the 2 hypathetical girls personally. I guess on paper with the 2 girls being equal as far as experience goes the one that is known to be a porn star would not be my first choice. Simply because if my kids found out it could end up with me having to have "the talk" about sex prematurely.

Also having to explain of how it's ok for Miss x to screw 5 guys in every hole on the weekends but it's not what i would like them to do. As an adult i don't care what the chick does for kicks but i would care about my kids being exposed to such things too early. The non porn chick could turn out worse than the other but at face value with nothing to go by other than good babysitting refs i would be more likely to take a gamble on her.

You can call that closed minded or whatever but the stereotype does enter my mind and would influence me given that i don't know either of the girls on a personal level. I would be concerned that unsupervised she could be a bad influence on my kids. For her to be in the porn industry i would already know that her ideals would differ from mine in that area. I would prefer someone that has the same standards that i would hope my kids end up with. I would not like my daughter to think it was cool to be a porn star when she grows up.

 

[SWeAT hOg]

I hear ya and I know it's impossible for a parent to monitor every single thing their kid does, especially in the Internet age. But, here's another example...

When I was probably around 10,11, or 12 years old, I went with my father to a local pub to pick up a pizza we had ordered. When we were inside the place, I was shocked to see some of my previous teacher inside drinking beer and smoking cigarettes. This was 35 years ago and I still remember it clear as day. Now, it was a different time back then but, if it happened today and my then-impressionable brain was damaged and I went around school and told everyone that I saw these teachers drinking and smoking, should they have been penalized for me seeing them doing that? Should they have been reprimanded and told that if they wanted to have a few beers and a smoke after work, that they would have to go somewhere that isn't so local?

I feel that what a teacher, or anyone else, does on their own time is their own business. If she's a good teacher, then she's a good teacher and if some kids see her doing something on her own time that some might find disturbing, that shouldn't be her issue.

At this point in time, drinking and smoking do not equal ass-to-mouth. However, if I had a habit of getting hammered, videoing it while I spewed out racist/sexist jokes, posted them to the internet, I am pretty sure I would be called to the carpet to explain myself.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I gotta wonder if the fans of the porn star teacher needed to hire a babysitter to look after your kids around 30 hours a week and you had a choice between 2 girls, both good babysitters but one was a porn star on the weekends. Which one would you choose?


Note that this is not a dump on anyone. It's a simple question that i think will provide some interesting answers.

I usually base my parenting decisions on more pertinent qualifications, such as mental acuity, sense of responsibility, and so on.

I don't disagree with you. If this woman was a private prostitute then I see your point. It's the very public nature of porn that makes this complicated.

However, as Thump mentioned, the parents aren't up in arms (this is happening in California after all) so perhaps she will be spared.

One of the things I like about most Californians is a perspective that is laissez-faire regarding an individual's personal life. When they do judge people, they tend to do it on criteria that actually matter, such as how they treat people around them. In that sense, Californians have an admirable pragmatism.

I have no doubt however as social media has become a daily reality, I do see a day when clauses are put into contracts that will make it easier to fire employees of any kind that have video histories some people would have a problem with.

The thought occurs to me that this amounts to allowing the children to choose their own teachers. Is that really something we should do?

 

[SWeAT hOg]

I usually base my parenting decisions on more pertinent qualifications, such as mental acuity, sense of responsibility, and so on.



One of the things I like about most Californians is a perspective that is laissez-faire regarding an individual's personal life. When they do judge people, they tend to do it on criteria that actually matter, such as how they treat people around them. In that sense, Californians have an admirable pragmatism.



The thought occurs to me that this amounts to allowing the children to choose their own teachers. Is that really something we should do?

Posting porn on the internet for everybody to access is personal? Sounds very public (and pubic!) to me. Work as a 'call-girl' and you have more control over your personal doings.

And no, at this point having children choose their teachers is a no-go and would create a scheduling nightmare, a scenario that I could see evolving for this school, but with parent's requesting other teachers.

 

[Rich]

At this point in time, drinking and smoking do not equal ass-to-mouth. However, if I had a habit of getting hammered, videoing it while I spewed out racist/sexist jokes, posted them to the internet, I am pretty sure I would be called to the carpet to explain myself.

I can tell you this much - as a smoker, I get plenty of dirty looks. It's pretty politically incorrect these days, at least where I live.

 

[CHUNKYNECK]

At this point in time, drinking and smoking do not equal ass-to-mouth. However, if I had a habit of getting hammered, videoing it while I spewed out racist/sexist jokes, posted them to the internet, I am pretty sure I would be called to the carpet to explain myself.

Everything in moderation.

 

[JMV]

Do you honestly think most kids would decide to choose a "life as a porn star" based on having one teacher that got outed in school?

I just don't think that's very likely.

I had a gay teacher in high school.

And to this day I've never sucked a penis. True story.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Posting porn on the internet for everybody to access is personal? Sounds very public (and pubic!) to me. Work as a 'call-girl' and you have more control over your personal doings.

It is a personal decision, is my point ... a decision that a person makes. Just as your decision to become a teacher was a personal decision, even though your work is public. Got it now?

And no, at this point having children choose their teachers is a no-go and would create a scheduling nightmare, a scenario that I could see evolving for this school, but with parent's requesting other teachers.

Because the students would never do internet searches on unpopular teachers trying to dig up dirt on whichever ones they didn't like, for whatever reasons ("His tests are too hard! Is there anything we can ge him on?") hoping for a "disqualifyng" hit like an adult movie or photo spread ... or make it up, if nothing else. Photoshop, anyone?

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Ass to mouth is not equal to pumping gas.

This should be someone's sig.

What about gay teachers? Some closed minded people have a problem with gays, but should they also be prevented from teaching?

In 7th grade, we were pretty sure that my English teacher was gay. He knew about the rumors. The nonchalance with which he handled them was in itself a good lesson to learn, for me.

At this point in time, drinking and smoking do not equal ass-to-mouth. However, if I had a habit of getting hammered, videoing it while I spewed out racist/sexist jokes, posted them to the internet, I am pretty sure I would be called to the carpet to explain myself.

At this point in time, ass-to-mouth ≠ racism or substance abuse. Load the argument much?

The fact that you'd make such a silly comparison is startling, to say the least. What sexual act between consenting adults even approaches the evils of racism?

I'll take "a sense of proportion" for $500, Alex.

 

[JMV]

I prefer mass genocide to "ass to mouth" myself, Thump.