Early 80s les paul headstock and horns (updated with photos)

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I have been shopping norlin les pauls this week and have noticed a lot of variation within similar models in regards to the headstock size and shape of the cutaway horn.

I realize this variation is common and possibly the hallmark of the norlin era but is there any pattern or relevance to guitars with the large paddle headstock vs smaller vintage size headstock and the shape of the cutaway?

For example,
I have seen 82s with either of these attributes.
Do these attributes signify which plant the guitars were made or a difference in model?
 
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Large paddle on an 83 LPC reminds me of the 70s strat head
 

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82 was a transition year so you will find examples of all since there is never one particular date for changes to start.
 

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82 was a transition year so you will find examples of all since there is never one particular date for changes to start.
Thanks Hardcore.

Do you mean transition for weight relief?
Or something else?
Maple neck ended in ‘85?

Looking at photos of 82s there seems to be a lot of variation.
 

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I hear ya man, some are totally different.

Heres my 1980 on the left and 1987 on the right

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The angle of the picture doesnt help much but the 87 is pointier
 

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82 had many transitions....weight relief started...Hog necks come back.....headstock starts to narrow...volute goes away...etc.etc.

there is never a specific date where Gibson makes it's changes all at once, they are always somewhat "phased in".

for example, I have a 1975 deluxe...the only reason I say it is a 75 is because of the pot codes...it has a mahogany neck and all the specs of a 74......

My 82 Custom does NOT have a volute or weight relief....but it still has the maple neck and bigger headstock etc. etc.
 
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What I’m currently looking at is an 82 Standard with small headstock and vintage style cutaway and horn.
Has a blind-hole Nashville bridge.
I assume a 17 degree peg head.

Waiting on photos for the rest.
 
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I will post them as soon as I get the photos.

I was thinking the same about possibly a mahogany neck.
 

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Looks great, can't give you anything technical rock out man!
 

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If you don't buy that, I will!!! LOL!!!

JK!

I already own an 82 and @scozz does too! He'll love this!

The Schaller no hole bridge is an 82 thing unique it seems to that year.

I'm pretty sure the tuners are Schaller too.

The pickups look like Tim Shaws with date stamp.

Mine still has a 3 piece maple neck and I'm betting yours does too.

I'm no date expert, but most figure swiss cheeze relief started later in 82. Mine is from Feb. and weighs 11 pounds..

That is a really sweet year for Gibson and the Tim Shaw pickups are worth it alone.

Mine set up really nice and plays like a dream.... OK, Im a fanboy! GET IT!!!! :run::hyper::hyper::hyper:
 

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If you don't buy that, I will!!! LOL!!!

JK!

I already own an 82 and @scozz does too! He'll love this!

The Schaller no hole bridge is an 82 thing unique it seems to that year.

I'm pretty sure the tuners are Schaller too.

The pickups look like Tim Shaws with date stamp.

Mine still has a 3 piece maple neck and I'm betting yours does too.

I'm no date expert, but most figure swiss cheeze relief started later in 82. Mine is from Feb. and weighs 11 pounds..

That is a really sweet year for Gibson and the Tim Shaw pickups are worth it alone.

Mine set up really nice and plays like a dream.... OK, Im a fanboy! GET IT!!!! :run::hyper::hyper::hyper:
Looks great, can't give you anything technical rock out man!

I agree, it’s beautiful.
What would you think a fair retail price would be?
 

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A few observations that caught my eye and interest;
Small peg head, vintage round cutaway horn, to me it looks like a one piece neck.
It’s difficult to see in the photo of the headstock but I don’t think it’s a 3 piece, though I wouldn’t mind a maple neck.
 

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FWIW to add to the info..

1980 saw the start of Gibson wanting to do things more like they used to.

The right guys were in place to do the job like Tom Murphy and Tim Shaw.

The Heritage 80 series started the shift back to the smaller headstock, peghead angle change and different horn shape.

Throughout the 80s and 90's there were a lot of excellent models made and a lot of experiments tried.

Most are solid models of good to excellent quality based on the feed back I've read here and elsewhere. And my own, of course.

That is a stunner!
 
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A few observations that caught my eye and interest;
Small peg head, vintage round cutaway horn, to me it looks like a one piece neck.
It’s difficult to see in the photo of the headstock but I don’t think it’s a 3 piece, though I wouldn’t mind a maple neck.
You can look under the truss rod to check. Mine is honey colored maple. Hog would be dark brown-red.
 

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I agree, it’s beautiful.
What would you think a fair retail price would be?
Mine was a limited run that came after the Heritage 80 series and I paid a bit over 2000 US for it and it is in at least as good a shape as that one is in.

Mine has some buckle rash dents in the back and some edge dings from 35 years of use before I got it.

That one has some minor scratches on the back but the top looks great.
 

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Mine was a limited run that came after the Heritage 80 series and I paid a bit over 2000 US for it and it is in at least as good a shape as that one is in.

Mine has some buckle rash dents in the back and some edge dings from 35 years of use before I got it.

That one has some minor scratches on the back but the top looks great.
How long ago did you buy it?
 

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Yup, September 2016... I joined here right after to learn more about it!

Heritage 80's features
Narrower Head stock
Short horn and body too. Notice the volume knob is now right under the tailpiece.
The whole body is shorter than the 70's Norlin Les Pauls.
 




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