Don't feed the homeless!

Bigfoot410

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I'd like to hear from some locals or somebody in the "know". This just strikes a "stupid" nerve with me. Roberteaux? You live close, no?

I sorta understand what the officials are saying, but doesn't feeding a human life trump anything else? If it doesn't, why are we even allowed to live. :shock:

Florida Couple Fined, Threatened with Jail for Feeding Homeless - NBC News

Florida couple who retired from their management jobs to care for the poor vowed Monday to wage a tenacious legal fight days after being fined more than $300 each for violating a local law.
Debbie and Chico Jimenez openly admit committing the act that earned them two citations apiece: feeding more than 100 people who are homeless in Daytona Beach.





Police in Daytona Beach also threatened them with arrest and incarceration, if they offer any more of their home-cooked meals at Manatee Island Park, a gathering the Jimenezes say they’ve hosted every Wednesday for the past year.
“The worst thing is, these are people we have grown to love, they've become like family to us, and now we’re not allowed to go down and do that anymore. It's just heartbreaking. I have cried and cried and cried,” said Debbie Jimenez, 52, a retired auto parts store manager. She and her husband, 60, a retired construction manager, operate New Smyrna Beach-based ministry called “Spreading the Word Without Saying a Word.”
“One of our (homeless) friends said that Wednesday is just not going to be Wednesday anymore,” Debbie Jimenez added. “We were given 10 days to either pay the fine or tell them we're going to court. We’re going to court. The police don’t like it. But how can we turn our backs on the hungry? We can’t.”
In all, police officers ticketed six people, including four volunteers who helped the Jimenezes on Wednesday – one of them, a man in a wheelchair who recently escaped homelessness and participated “to pay it forward,” Debbie Jimenez said. The fines levied by authorities total $2,238.
But Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said the Jimenezes had been warned one week earlier to stop their weekly feeding sessions after local residents complained that some homeless people gathering in the park were defecating and urinating on the grounds, and that some were showing up drunk at dawn.





"We as a city have spent millions of dollars to turn that park into a place for families, kids and dog lovers," Chitwood said. "We have an ordinance that says when people want to perform acts of kindness or charity that they must coordinate with our local social service agencies.
"They were told (the previous Wednesday) that if they come back there, they would be cited and they could risk going to jail," Chitwood said. "There is a segment of the homeless population that is homeless by choice. I don't want to impugn them all. But some are homeless because they are sex offenders, substance abusers and bank robbers. That's why we ask (Good Samaritans) to coordinate with our social service agencies, because they know who needs to be served."
The big-buck investments made by Daytona Beach to rebuild Manatee Island Park include boat docks, kayak-launching sites and spots to view families of manatees - plus playgrounds, picnic areas and a dog area, Chitwood said.
The Jimenezes contend they never were warned to stay away.
“We've been down there a year, and the police have been around and not one of them has ever said one word,” Chico Jimenez said. “This time, the police said we are creating more homeless people by feeding them in the park, that we are enabling them by giving them one meal in a week. Does that make sense to you? It’s so crazy.”
Daytona Beach is not alone among cities that formally and legally restrict non-governmental individuals who seek to share food with homeless people in public or private spaces.





According to a report co-released by the National Coalition for the Homeless and the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty, during the past seven years Gainesville, Fla., began “enforcing a rule limiting the number of meals that soup kitchens may serve to 130 people in one day;” Phoenix, Ariz., “used zoning laws to stop a local church from serving breakfast to community members, including many homeless people, outside a local church;” and Myrtle Beach, S.C., “adopted an ordinance that restricts food sharing with homeless people in public parks.”
The Jimenezes videotaped their final feeding event, and their interactions with police officers. During one portion of the tape, Chico Jimenez pans the long line of people waiting for a plate of chicken patties topped with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes and onion, plus green beans with sausage, macaroni and cheese, pasta salad, chips, and sodas. He captures several of the volunteer food servers. And he shows police officers using a cruiser hood to write down the volunteers’ identifications.
One notable moment captures a Daytona Beach police officer telling Jimenez, “You’ve got to have permits,” as a woman plating food immediately widens her eyes.
“Each week, we celebrate somebody’s birthday. We have over 100 people every week - it’s always somebody’s birthday,” Chico Jimenez said. “On the tape, you can hear us singing ‘Happy Birthday’ as a group.”





On that videotape, the same police officer accuses the Jimenezes of staging “a permanent birthday party,” adding: “You can’t just call it a birthday party."
 

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NIMBY is as NIMBY does.

Everybody knows that there are seedy places where the homeless can be serviced. Don't want those people to intrude on our public places with their issues.
 

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Well there are several points here. Now if it's true about the homeless taking a dump and peeing in the park that's just plain ignorance. If someone is taking the time to feed you, then at least act like a human being, and not an animal.

I understand there are rules in this life. But these people are performing an act of kindness. Instead of fining them, perhaps someone should help them get the permission they need.

Just my .02
 

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They are just trying to control the homeless problem in the area. If you feed them it will just make more people want to be homeless for the free soup and crackers.
 

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They are just trying to control the homeless problem in the area. If you feed them it will just make more people want to be homeless for the free soup and crackers.

That's exactly what I said, only different.
 

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That actually looks tamer than a lot of birthday parties I play. I didn't see any alcohol, or fighting or hear any cussing. I saw a cop trying to harass and intimidate cooperative citizens.
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In a another time, I might have felt differently but, considering how f'd the US economy and job market are, I think helping out your fellow people is the only right thing to do. I'm one of the lucky ones in that I have steady work and a roof over my head but I've been on hard times before if not without a home.

I do understand the NIMBY aspect of it and I'd be upset too if somebody took a dump on my lawn but I can tell you that there is at least one MLP member - a good, solid guy - who is homeless and doesn't do that stuff; he does what he has to to survive and makes due with public washrooms and doesn't go around messing up other people's property.

Not everyone who is homeless is a derelict or drug addict or lazy, no matter how some people would like to paint everyone who is homeless. If you have a place to live and food in the fridge, count yourself lucky because all it takes is getting laid off from your job in this shitty economy before you find your own ass out on the street with nothing to eat.
 

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In a another time, I might have felt differently but, considering how f'd the US economy and job market are, I think helping out your fellow people is the only right thing to do. I'm one of the lucky ones in that I have steady work and a roof over my head but I've been on hard times before if not without a home.

I do understand the NIMBY aspect of it and I'd be upset too if somebody took a dump on my lawn but I can tell you that there is at least one MLP member - a good, solid guy - who is homeless and doesn't do that stuff; he does what he has to to survive and makes due with public washrooms and doesn't go around messing up other people's property.

Not everyone who is homeless is a derelict or drug addict or lazy, no matter how some people would like to paint everyone who is homeless. If you have a place to live and food in the fridge, count yourself lucky because all it takes is getting laid off from your job in this shitty economy before you find your own ass out on the street with nothing to eat.
Pretty much sums up my feelings as well. Times have changed and we need to.....well, you all know. :)
 

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oh ___ feed .

( thought it said " feel " . carry on )

seriously . I have to agree with 50WPLEXI __ about more effort being put towards helping them obtain proper permits . . instead of just upholding the laws

on the other hand . they're such an eyesore . what about the kids ? do you want your children playing in the park seeing that ? an actual act of kindness going on :shock: __ it's disgusting I tell you !
 

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I see many more panhandlers on the street lately. I think it could be because of the cuts to food stamps. I'm just glad to have a job. I was unemployed for three years and now I only work part time.
 

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"We have an ordinance that says when people want to perform acts of kindness or charity that they must coordinate with our local social service agencies."

This so loosely worded it's kind of frightening.

So if I'm in the Publix market and the single mother of two in front of me is
$.78 short and digging in her purse.

I guess I have to call Social Services prior to handing her the loose change?
 

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In a another time, I might have felt differently but, considering how f'd the US economy and job market are, I think helping out your fellow people is the only right thing to do. I'm one of the lucky ones in that I have steady work and a roof over my head but I've been on hard times before if not without a home.

I do understand the NIMBY aspect of it and I'd be upset too if somebody took a dump on my lawn but I can tell you that there is at least one MLP member - a good, solid guy - who is homeless and doesn't do that stuff; he does what he has to to survive and makes due with public washrooms and doesn't go around messing up other people's property.

Not everyone who is homeless is a derelict or drug addict or lazy, no matter how some people would like to paint everyone who is homeless. If you have a place to live and food in the fridge, count yourself lucky because all it takes is getting laid off from your job in this shitty economy before you find your own ass out on the street with nothing to eat.


I love this post, how true.
 

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"We have an ordinance that says when people want to perform acts of kindness or charity that they must coordinate with our local social service agencies."

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Maybe separation of Church and state should go both ways. Just as Churches ought to to stay out of how Civil administrations run government, maybe government should stay out of how Churches administer charity.

Taking care of the less fortunate has been a part of every organized faith tradition for at least 3000 years. It's not like this is some new plot for "religious types" to infiltrate the government's territory.

And if the unchurched want to help, that's all good too.
 

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I see "Media Mike" Chitwood hasn't changed any from his tenure as Portland Maine police chief. :rolleyes:
 

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Maybe separation of Church and state should go both ways. Just as Churches ought to to stay out of how Civil administrations run government, maybe government should stay out of how Churches administer charity.

Taking care of the less fortunate has been a part of every organized faith tradition for at least 3000 years. It's not like this is some new plot for "religious types" to infiltrate the government's territory.

And if the unchurched want to help, that's all good too.
Agreed!! They seem to be portrayed as rabid pit bulls running loose. They are people! People helping people is probably the best and kindest thing we can do. Maybe the frickin' city could provide a port-o-potty for the events instead of doing their normal NOTHING but degrading, putting up roadblocks and bring negative implications into everything. The gov'ment needs to mind their own f'ing business if they won't step up to help the homeless issues.
 

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for the last two weekends ( with the nicer weather ) __ the buses coming in from out of town have been dropping off beggars and scammers , literally " by the busload "

what I want to know is how they can afford the 40 dollar bus ticket , each way , from the area they're coming from ?

I mean , I know how __ but I guess the reputation for this area being a good target is spreading very quickly . going to have to wait and see how this plays out over the next month . . .
 

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for the last two weekends ( with the nicer weather ) __ the buses coming in from out of town have been dropping off beggars and scammers , literally " by the busload "

what I want to know is how they can afford the 40 dollar bus ticket , each way , from the area they're coming from ?

I mean , I know how __ but I guess the reputation for this area being a good target is spreading very quickly . going to have to wait and see how this plays out over the next month . . .

Maybe some NIMBYs paid for the tickets to ship out their undesirables for someone else to deal with. I'm surprised they weren't sent in boxcars, COD.
 

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