Does a natural, 12-year fading make the flame pop a little more? [solved]

diogoguitar

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I know I'm feeding the trolls (bring it on) , but I'll try it anyway
when I first got my LP in 2009, I remember it had some flame to it, but I don't remember it having so much flame on the red part of the burst. Let's compare a 12-year timespan of the guitar
My camera was pretty crappy back then, but here are the best shots I have from back then...
Is it just the camera quality or did the edges really fade a bit to show the flame a little more?

2009
LP 2009 Y30xN-YZSgCqk7QqQGEgtg.jpg


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2012
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this is her in 2014
LP 10628918_10152464206084565_4277895685468967093_o.jpg


And now here is she in 2021
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Red is notoriously hard to get good consistent shots of. To me it's not much, if any, different color wise now vs. new.

Flame wise I rate it as a 9 now and as an 8 as the pictures go back to new.

Most people will call b.s. on flames displaying better as a guitar ages, that it's the sames wood it was when it was new.

I think that it is a guitar by guitar event and some will show better flame as they age. Science shows us that as wood ages there will be changes in the wood's crystallinity and that resins will degrade. I think depending on the particular piece of wood, and the way it was cut, it may display flames more vividly as those natural processes occur. That's what I think is going on with yours. Maybe some natural uv light degradation of the red pigment, but to me it also has more easily visible flame.
 

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Anything’s possible, it could also in some cases make it pop less, read somewhere about the initial colour coat can be absorbed more in the softer parts of the wood, as it absorbs more it doesn’t lose it as much when or if it’s sanded back. So maybe the same holds true when exposed to light?

Noticed my UV aging has slightly reduced the figuring on my top, which actually make the top look more even, the figuring really darkened around the edges and make it look a bit uneven, so I’ve called it done now, it’s taken the clown of it and starting to be more like the antiquity burst finish.
 

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I don't think so. Those pictures are at different angles which is how a burst shows it's flame.
 

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That isn’t a general rule. Sometimes flames really simply with the angle of view, and all kinds of other factors. Lighting color and intensity will change it tremendously.

As much as some colors fade I’m sure sometimes more flame figuring reveals itself and sometimes it fades too. That’s kind of the fun of it. You just don’t know!
 

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Angle changes appearance of flame. Modern dyes and stains fade very little over time.
 

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hmmm yes, it could very well be the angle thing. In the past I couldn't care less about any flame, so maybe I was just taking from angles that weren't favoring the flame.
 

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The pic without the pick guard on it reveals quite a bit of flame including the darkest on the guitar. I think that pic brings out the flame more than the others.

Beautiful guitar either way.
 

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The missing pickguard has added some more flame.
 

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Following up on this. Yes, I think removing the pickguard revealed a lot more flame.

Also, I took pictures from similar angles... I wanted to compare them side by side. I'm posting the original and then the newer version, with a reasonably similar angle. I still see more flame than before. I did not do any tricks to lighting, angles or anything. In fact the lighting in the room is on the darker side.

Maybe not a fading thing since the colors are still similar. If I take out the poker chip, I can tell there was some fading to the red, but not a lot.
It's a mystery :)
Anyway, sorry to bother you guys, just wanted to know if anybody saw a similar theme on their guitars. Back to plugging her in.

2009:



2021:
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2012

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2021
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You said it yourself: You have a better camera now. Just look at a cell phone pic from an original iPhone or Droid and then look at a pic from the newest iterations, the change in the level of detail is significant.
 


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