Do grovers affect tone ???

jwinger

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Hi guys, I know this has been raised before, but I was thinking a more in depth discussion might not be a bad idea. Well, I've got some aged RS grovers arriving tomorrow, and I'm gonna pop them on my les paul in place of the klusons, simply because I love the look of them.

Well, are there any tonal +ives or -ives?? I'm skeptical about doing it if its gonna rob me of harmonics, resonance and bloom etc??


What opinions / experiences have you guys had???


cheers

johnny
 

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Okay....I doubt that the human ear could hear any difference, but our experts here will be chiming in soon, I am sure.
Sincerely, good luck with your proposed tuner installation.:thumb:
 

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They add a little punch and focus to my ears. I prefer them over Klusons for the tone and the look as well.
 

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Okay....I doubt that the human ear could hear any difference, but our experts here will be chiming in soon, I am sure.
Sincerely, good luck with your proposed tuner installation.:thumb:

If you were to install them on your new Classic, you'd hear a difference. The ones I've done were pretty dramatic.
 

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You'll probably get a very slight alteration in your overall tonality. The Grovers are heavier tuners than the Klusons...
 

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If you were to install them on your new Classic, you'd hear a difference. The ones I've done were pretty dramatic.

so any negatives - did they seem to take away and resonance or harmonics??
 

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No, but that's subjective. Just because I like it doesn't mean you will.

What LP are you installing them in?
 

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I installed locking Grovers on my Custom. I didn't detect any tonal change but they increased my sustain as lockers should. One of the best upgrades/mods I've ever made.
 

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so any negatives - did they seem to take away and resonance or harmonics??

No...they're better tuners.

The gear ratio is better (18:1 vs. 15:1 with Klusons)
The hardwear is better (metal vs. plastic tuning keys)

Hell, insofar as I know a lot of the higher end Lesters don't even HAVE Klusons on 'em anymore. Dumping those off my Studio was one of the best things I ever did as an upgrade...
 

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No, but that's subjective. Just because I like it doesn't mean you will.

What LP are you installing them in?

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I installed locking Grovers on my Custom. I didn't detect any tonal change but they increased my sustain as lockers should. One of the best upgrades/mods I've ever made.

Yeah, but it had Grovers anyway. Switching from light, plastic Klusons to Grovers is quite a difference.

They can really help a dark, muddy guitar tighten up and lose the mud.
 

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I installed locking Grovers on my Custom. I didn't detect any tonal change but they increased my sustain as lockers should. One of the best upgrades/mods I've ever made.

thanks...reassuring
 

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