Do grovers affect tone ???

[jwinger]

Hi guys, I know this has been raised before, but I was thinking a more in depth discussion might not be a bad idea. Well, I've got some aged RS grovers arriving tomorrow, and I'm gonna pop them on my les paul in place of the klusons, simply because I love the look of them.

Well, are there any tonal +ives or -ives?? I'm skeptical about doing it if its gonna rob me of harmonics, resonance and bloom etc??


What opinions / experiences have you guys had???


cheers

johnny

 

[dennistruckdriver]

Seriously???

 

[jwinger]

Seriously???

yeah - some say its something to do with the increased headstock mass?

 

[dennistruckdriver]

Okay....I doubt that the human ear could hear any difference, but our experts here will be chiming in soon, I am sure.
Sincerely, good luck with your proposed tuner installation.

 

[Boleskinehouse]

They add a little punch and focus to my ears. I prefer them over Klusons for the tone and the look as well.

 

[Boleskinehouse]

Okay....I doubt that the human ear could hear any difference, but our experts here will be chiming in soon, I am sure.
Sincerely, good luck with your proposed tuner installation.

If you were to install them on your new Classic, you'd hear a difference. The ones I've done were pretty dramatic.

 

[The_Sentry]

You'll probably get a very slight alteration in your overall tonality. The Grovers are heavier tuners than the Klusons...

 

[jwinger]

If you were to install them on your new Classic, you'd hear a difference. The ones I've done were pretty dramatic.

so any negatives - did they seem to take away and resonance or harmonics??

 

[Boleskinehouse]

No, but that's subjective. Just because I like it doesn't mean you will.

What LP are you installing them in?

 

[ehamady6]

I installed locking Grovers on my Custom. I didn't detect any tonal change but they increased my sustain as lockers should. One of the best upgrades/mods I've ever made.

 

[The_Sentry]

so any negatives - did they seem to take away and resonance or harmonics??

No...they're better tuners.

The gear ratio is better (18:1 vs. 15:1 with Klusons)
The hardwear is better (metal vs. plastic tuning keys)

Hell, insofar as I know a lot of the higher end Lesters don't even HAVE Klusons on 'em anymore. Dumping those off my Studio was one of the best things I ever did as an upgrade...

 

[jwinger]

No, but that's subjective. Just because I like it doesn't mean you will.

What LP are you installing them in?

Going in old sybil....

Quick vid I made of her today - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHLwI81OH2Y]YouTube - Blues Deluxe - Jeff Beck[/ame]

 

[Boleskinehouse]

I installed locking Grovers on my Custom. I didn't detect any tonal change but they increased my sustain as lockers should. One of the best upgrades/mods I've ever made.

Yeah, but it had Grovers anyway. Switching from light, plastic Klusons to Grovers is quite a difference.

They can really help a dark, muddy guitar tighten up and lose the mud.

 

[jwinger]

I installed locking Grovers on my Custom. I didn't detect any tonal change but they increased my sustain as lockers should. One of the best upgrades/mods I've ever made.

thanks...reassuring

 

[dennistruckdriver]

See....I told ya they'd know! Thanks guys!

 

[Boleskinehouse]

Going in old sybil....

Ok. You do know you'll have to ream the headstock right? It's not a direct swap.

 

[dennistruckdriver]

Ok. You do know you'll have to ream the headstock....

 

[jwinger]

Ok. You do know you'll have to ream the headstock right? It's not a direct swap.

yeah - bit too much of a scary job for me so I'm taking it to tech!

 

[jco.1]

Cool poster.

 

[jwinger]

Cool poster.

ha ha - thanks everyone seems to like that one!