Diet plan for my LP

diogoguitar

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this almost feels like NGD to me. My first thought was to sell the guitar and get a newer, lighter one. But, I liked so much how it plays, sounds and feels before any mods that I felt it would be too much risk for me to try and buy another one.

My LP Traditional 50's had 9.4 lbs/ 4.263 kg (9.5lbs / 4.295kg with strap locks) before and now it weighs 8.97lbs / 4.069kg .


Here are the mods
Original (g)Replacement (g)Savings (g)savings (oz)savings (lb)
Tailpiece9027632.20.1
Tailpiece studs2810180.60.0
Bridge5228240.80.1
Tuner191151401.40.1
Pickguard320321.10.1
pickup swap00.00.0
reflector knobs19.31270.30.0
jack plate9.31.780.30.0
schaller buttons102.180.30.0
schaller strap holders32.10321.10.1
gramsozlbs
Total reduction2318.20.5

edit: I had forgotten to count the portion of the strap lock that goes into the strap. It weighs another 32g / 1oz. I edited the table just now

  1. I put faber tailpiece and aluminum studs,
  2. an aluminum locking bridge with titanium saddles,
  3. Replaced the original Kluson tuners with MIJ Gotoh ones (same style but lighter)
  4. Took off pickguard
  5. (did not change pickups)
  6. Replaced speed knobs for top hats
  7. Replaced metal jack plate for plastic
  8. Removed schaller strap locks and up original Gibson's
  9. New bone nut (not related to weight savings, but it was needed)
All in all, it took ME 1h of labor, plus 1h in a pro shop, plus 1h for the bone nut

Was it worth it? To me it was. I was thinking about selling this guitar and get an R9, but right now I feel absolutely no need to do it.

I was hesitant to sell because I already liked how the guitar plays, sounds and feels ... it was just a little hard on my shoulders and lower back. It was not so much about the total weight since 9.4 to 8.97 isn't that much of savings, but it was about the neck/body balance and how it feels on the shoulders. If I was playing sitting and let my hands off the guitar, the guitar would turn to its body (and fall on its butt).

Honestly with the hardware/nut upgrades the guitar feels and plays even better.

She feels so much more alive and balanced. I'm very happy and won't be selling this guitar anymore


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I had put on Reverb for sale before any mods, and within a day or two I had 50 followers and a few verbal offers. I was like "ok, let me think if I really want to sell this". I took it off the market. I'm glad I did keep the guitar. Had I waited a little longer, I suspect someone would have paid full price for it.
 
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On the bike forums, the guys who spend a lot of money on lightweight parts to achieve a weight goal are called "weight weenies."

Not intended as a dig, it just triggered a memory. I daresay weight reduction on a bicycle is way more useful, though.
 

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this almost feels like NGD to me. My LP traditional had 9.4 lbs/ 4.263 kg before and now it weighs 8.97lbs / 4.069kg . Here are the mods

Original (g)Replacement (g)Savings (g)savings (oz)savings (lb)
Tailpiece9027632.20.1
Tailpiece studs2810180.60.0
Bridge5228240.80.1
Tuner191151401.40.1
Pickguard320321.10.1
pickup swap00.00.0
top hat knobs19.31270.30.0
jack plate9.31.780.30.0
strap buttons102.180.30.0
gramsozlbs
Total reduction1997.00.4

  1. I put faber tailpiece and aluminum studs,
  2. an aluminum locking bridge with titanium saddles,
  3. Replaced the original Kluson tuners with MIJ Gotoh ones (same style but lighter)
  4. Took off pickguard
  5. (did not change pickups)
  6. Replaced speed knobs for top hats
  7. Replaced metal jack plate for plastic
  8. Removed schaller strap locks and up original Gibson's
  9. New bone nut (not related to weight savings, but it was needed)
All in all, it took ME 1h of labor, plus 1h in a pro shop, plus 1h for the bone nut

Was it worth it? To me it was. I was thinking about selling this guitar and get an R9, but right now I feel absolutely no need to do it.

I was hesitant to sell because I already liked how the guitar plays, sounds and feels ... it was just a little hard on my shoulders and lower back. It was not so much the total weight since 9.4 to 8.97 isn't that much of savings, but it was about the neck/body balance and how it feels on the shoulders. If I was playing sitting and let my hands off the guitar, the guitar would turn to its body (and fall on its butt).

Honestly with the hardware/nut upgrades the guitar feels and plays even better.

She feels so much more alive and balanced. I'm very happy and won't be selling this guitar anymore


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Almost half a pound is huge for balance and overall weight. Great to see how this was done in detail. What are your impressions about what the Faber stiff did to the tone?
 

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Almost half a pound is huge for balance and overall weight. Great to see how this was done in detail. What are your impressions about what the Faber stiff did to the tone?
This faber thing theoretically makes a lot of difference (I think). To be honest, I don't know if it's the tailpiece, the titanium saddles, or the new bone nut that made THE difference because I swapped all 3 of them at once.

But, the guitar does resonate better than before, so that's a good thing. If I had to guess, I think most of the improvement comes from the tailpiece (Faber). It's hard to imagine any improvement could be made in the guitar, since it was already top notch in my opinion.

Also, the Gotoh tuners are way better than the stock Kluson ones. They look the same and I think have the same turning ratio, but the turn of the Gotoh is a lot smoother.
 
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On the bike forums, the guys who spend a lot of money on lightweight parts to achieve a weight goal are called "weight weenies."

Not intended as a dig, it just triggered a memory. I daresay weight reduction on a bicycle is way more useful, though.
I'll take weight weenie!
I'm probably that 1-5% of the LP player population who doesn't eat wheaties and complains about guitar weight.
 

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I'll take weight weenie!
I'm probably that 1-5% of the LP player population who doesn't eat wheaties and complains about guitar weight.
I added weight to my '50s Tribute by installing a Les Trem II. In spite of the 1/4" thinner body and 9 hole weight relief it weighed 9.2 pounds. Now it weighs 9.6 pounds :)
 

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Wow - that's an incredible amount of weight removed simply by swapping out hardware!
 

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Good job! Gradual weight loss is always better than extreme yoyo dieting...

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BTW...this is from an actual Reverb listing....

 

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@diogoguitar can you provide the exact piece you used? I went to have a look at the Faber website and there is a lot to choose from. But no weights mentioned. Also I didn't see they have aluminium studs.
 

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@diogoguitar can you provide the exact piece you used? I went to have a look at the Faber website and there is a lot to choose from. But no weights mentioned. Also I didn't see they have aluminium studs.
Let me see if I remember all of the swapped parts

  1. Faber non-locking tailpiece: https://faberusa.com/product/3010-0-faber-tp-59-tailpiece/
    1. They don't specify the weight but trust me, this is as light as it gets.
  2. Tailpiece studs (did not replace anchor): https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/bridge-and-tailpieces/tailpieces-and-wraparound-tailpieces/tailpiece-parts/lightweight-aluminum-tailpiece-mounting-studs-posts/
  3. gotoh sd-90 tuners: https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/tuning-machines/gotoh-sd90-vintage-kluson-style-guitar-tuning-machines-nickel/
  4. Pinacle Aluminum bridge with titanium saddles: https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/bridge-and-tailpieces/nashville-bridges/pinnacle-locking-aluminum-base-titanium-saddles-tom-nashville-bridge/
    1. You are required to replace the studs (which weigh about the same as the original), but you can keep the anchors - so no permanent mods on the guitar.
  5. Knobs (generic?): https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/knobs/volume-and-tone-control-knobs/gold-bell-hat-knobs-4pk-for-gibson-guitars-with-us-fine-splines/
  6. Stud for tailpiece (generic?): https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/bridge-and-tailpieces/tailpieces-and-wraparound-tailpieces/tailpiece-parts/lightweight-aluminum-tailpiece-mounting-studs-posts/
  7. Jack plate (generic?): https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/electronics/jacks/plastic-jack-plate-in-ivory/
I think that's pretty much it. The tuner strap buttons pretty sure I took the original gibson

Also, you can shave off another 50-60g / 2oz if you don't care about pickup covers. I have a set of zebra pickups coming.
I was lucky to get them before the brand jacked up the price (pricks... I'll stop buying from them lol)

here is she with the poker chip now
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I'll take weight weenie!
I'm probably that 1-5% of the LP player population who doesn't eat wheaties and complains about guitar weight.
I don’t complain about weight but that’s only because I try to only buy LP’s that are under 9 pounds. :cool:
 


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