Did 50s Les Paul Juniors have "50s wiring"?

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I tried to research this, but the search terms just confound search engines. Because of course 50s Les Paul Juniors had 50s wiring. But was it "50s wiring?"
 

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Thanks, I understand that that is the schematic that is called "50s wiring." I understand that two-pickup 50s Les Pauls were wired with (a two-pickup version of) this schematic.

What I am asking is, were 50s Les Paul Juniors actually wired according to this schematic? Or did people only recently start using "50s wiring" on their Les Paul Juniors?

I've managed to find some photos of 50s junior cavities but it is a little hard for me to tell.
 

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My '56 Junior has 50's wiring, with a 500k volume pot and 250k tone pot.
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I tried to research this, but the search terms just confound search engines. Because of course 50s Les Paul Juniors had 50s wiring. But was it "50s wiring?"
Yes...hence why it's called "50s-wiring".

Guitars, back then, were wired accoring to the types of amps (tube-driven) being produced at the time.
 

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Yes...hence why it's called "50s-wiring".

Guitars, back then, were wired accoring to the types of amps (tube-driven) being produced at the time.
Sure, but it could be called "50s wiring" because some 50s models had it, not necessarily all of them . . hence my question.

But thanks for the clarifcation.
 

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Sure, but it could be called "50s wiring" because some 50s models had it, not necessarily all of them . . hence my question.

But thanks for the clarifcation.
ALL '50s models had it. That's why it's called "'50s wiring".

The term is fairly modern, as most guitars made since the late '60s-present use "modern-wiring", due to the introduction of solid-state amps.

'50s-wiring added more midrange to compensate for the bassiness of most tube-amps. Modern-wiring was/is the exact opposite.
 

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ALL '50s models had it. That's why it's called "'50s wiring".

The term is fairly modern, as most guitars made since the late '60s-present use "modern-wiring", due to the introduction of solid-state amps.

'50s-wiring added more midrange to compensate for the bassiness of most tube-amps. Modern-wiring was/is the exact opposite.
50s wiring on PAF LP Standards didn't start until late '57. All the earlier 57 LP Standards had what we now call modern wiring. Easily demonstrable on burst serial
 

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50s wiring on PAF LP Standards didn't start until late '57. All the earlier 57 LP Standards had what we now call modern wiring. Easily demonstrable on burst serial
Thanks for the correction. Learn something new everyday.:thumb:
 

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50s wiring on PAF LP Standards didn't start until late '57. All the earlier 57 LP Standards had what we now call modern wiring. Easily demonstrable on burst serial
Thanks, I'm glad I asked even though it may have seemed like a dumb question. So I suppose it is possible that 56 Les Paul Juniors and before had what we call "modern wiring" and 57s and later Juniors had "50s wiring." Do you know if that is the case?
 

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Thanks, I'm glad I asked even though it may have seemed like a dumb question. So I suppose it is possible that 56 Les Paul Juniors and before had what we call "modern wiring" and 57s and later Juniors had "50s wiring." Do you know if that is the case?
Can't say what they all had, but my '56 has 50s wiring.
 

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Does that mean Gibson altered wiring from '50s to modern only for HBs but by the end of 1957 they reverted to '50s wiring for HBs?

Do we have sufficient sample size to be sure those modern wirings on 1957 were all factory stock?

Or all LP Standards since '52 til end of '57 had modern wiring?

Not claiming the opposite, just asking if I understand the info you provided.
 

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Does that mean Gibson altered wiring from '50s to modern only for HBs but by the end of 1957 they reverted to '50s wiring for HBs?

Do we have sufficient sample size to be sure those modern wirings on 1957 were all factory stock?

Or all LP Standards since '52 til end of '57 had modern wiring?

Not claiming the opposite, just asking if I understand the info you provided.
On BS, there are plenty of wiring photos to show modern wiring...up until a point. Don't think I saw any early-mid 57s with 50s wiring. Then towards the end of 57, right around the same time they raised the logo, you see the first 50s wiring.

Don't know what they did for the P90s.
 


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