Deport Justin Bieber petition tops 100,000; White House must respond

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this is the problem with America . We as a whole are more concerned about Beiber and the Kardashians than we are about the state of our country .

deport,don't deport doesn't matter.
 

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this is the problem with America . We as a whole are more concerned about Beiber and the Kardashians than we are about the state of our country .

deport,don't deport doesn't matter.

Fixing the country would take a lot more work than just getting rid of some punk.
 

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this is the problem with America . We as a whole are more concerned about Beiber and the Kardashians than we are about the state of our country .

deport,don't deport doesn't matter.


But Bieber is the root of all your problems. We Canadians would apologize, as we are wont to do, but you foisted Honey Boo Boo onto the world so our crime pales in comparison to yours.
 

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The justice system definitely needs work. But how do you sort out the people who make poor choices from genuinely "bad people", as well as smack around the little shits??
That would be impossible to uniformly apply. It's not the lawyers' fault that they're good at doing whatever it takes to get their clients off, and that being good at it means they charge more for their work.
We expect Wilco to get paid more than a shitty bar band. Why shouldn't we expect OJ's lawyers to make more than the guy with his picture on the bus, with the easy-to-remember phone number and the ad in spanish?
Only rich guys can afford their prices, so rich guys go free more often.
That's why the Big 3 make vans.
Now, goddammit, who's with me??
 

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when bieber was racing, was he at least wearing a helmet? Safety first, ya know.
 

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life is too short to worry about the bieb, he'll self destruct soon enough by his own doing :D we got bigger problems, like teaching southern folks about how to drive on icy roads :D
 

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I think hes a douche but what is kicking him out of America going to do? We're going to hear about him no matter where he lives.
 

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The poor child went from being an essentially decent upright and unremakable Canadian to becoming this monster. It must be the pernicious effect of American culture. We should be apologizing to him.
 

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The poor child went from being an essentially decent upright and unremakable Canadian to becoming this monster. It must be the pernicious effect of American culture. We should be apologizing to him.

Pffft. It's that weak Canadian character that made him susceptible to the temptations.
 

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Originally Posted by SteveGangi
By getting out from behind your desk and getting off your dead ass and FINDING OUT by questionong anyone who may have seen it. And then, you let the defender go, while dropping the hammer on the bully. It's not hard to figure out who the bully is, they usually have a long history of "confrontations".

To do any less, is fvcking lazy. But it's easier for some worthless lazy bureaucratic asshole to yell "zero tolerance" and then punish the victim.


Assuming you can get the truth from the kids. Unless you have multiple teachers that witness something, it's all conjecture. Kids will lie out their ass to cover their friends.

And any "punishment" the school dishes out does nothing. More often than not the parents will see the school as the problem, not their little shit of a child. So little Asshole Johnny gets a couple days off from school then goes right back to doing the exact same shit. When that's all done, Mr. And Mrs. Asshole Johnny will come a knocking with lawyers because "our little angel would NEVER do anything like that."

The everybody out of the pool zero tolerance shit is the only tool schools have left after the whole "parents rights" bullshit bent em over the table with any other punishment. School can't smack a kid, can't yell at a kid, can't do anything but punish them with a short vacation. And, spoiler alert: Kids don't really care.

I've got sympathy for both your views. We get the occasional school case hare at the appeals court .

"zero tolerance" began as a catchprase certain politically motivated school board members and polititians liked becaue it showed "toughness" on "bad kids." Parents liked it becaue "my kid is not a bad kid."

The school folks were happy to go along with it becaue it was a dammn sight easier than than tedious business of assigning blame or determining how harmful a particular behavior really was. It was though to insulate the school from charges of bias, and from a generation of parents that preferred to believe the lies their children told them rather than the opinion of a teacher, and had money to pay lawyers. In doing so they abandoned one essential moral decison of a school - "who started it!"

Of course, it hasn't worked. Studies show that the offences defined as "zero tolerence" are usually those more likely to be commtted by poor or minority students, so the bias charges persisted.

Further, because the offenses are defined in broad terms, the results are often arbitary and unpreportional, e.g. child is suspended for six months for bringing 12 inch commando knife to school vs child is suspended for six months for bringing 2 inch penknife keychain that was gift from grandparent.

Because of this inherent arbitraryness, "zero tolerance" didn't provide the legal cover everyone thought would result. Now we get suits alleging that the rule is arbitarty and capricious because it punshes clearly harmful and clearly harmless behevior the same.

Parents do sue over the most worthless S** nowadays. There are two big "football" schools in town, and thus parents who see their chlid as a nascent NFL star want their child in one of those schools. Legal battles develop many years as to whether 14-years olds are eligable to play at those schools. Guys are spending $1,000 of dollars on establishing where a 14-year old can play football!

We has another case in which a girl was banned from art class becaue she was a "cutter" and art class involved sisscors and knives. As soon as she got access to anything sharp, she would go to the bathroom and start cutting herself. Her mother sued arging that the school should have removed all sisscors from the art class rether than banning her mentally disturbed child. ......
 

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I think hes a douche but what is kicking him out of America going to do? We're going to hear about him no matter where he lives.


But if he can no longer tour in the US his career will be cut short. Even if he records here and tours everywhere else, not being able to tour in the US would spell the end for him.
 

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