COVID19-thread (Title change, Thread for serious info only).

[CB91710]

Are restaurants still closed where you live? They are all open here, you just have to wear a mask while walking to the table, and they need to keep a certain distance between the tables. I still prefer sitting outside, but that was my preference even before this mess. Bars, that don’t have tables, are still closed, but they are allowed to put tables out in the street which is nice, as long as the weather is fine. We are currently at a pretty constant rate of about 400-500 new infections per day (for the whole country). Mostly clusters. Churches are risky, especially the very small ones. Meat plants also. Some states are at zero. I fear after the holiday season we will see another steep increase. I really miss concerts, even the postponed shows where I had tickets are now postponed indefinitely again, and even if concerts would be allowed, many of my favorite artists couldn’t get into the country. Next week we will go to Italy, for a two week vacation, that’s a big step forward. Restrictions there are very similar to ours.

We were reopened, same as above... had to mask until you were seated and food delivered.
But that only lasted maybe 2 weeks and now we're back to outdoor-only.
Hair and nail salons were given the clearance to reopen for outdoor-only this week.

 

[SteveC]

Are restaurants still closed where you live? They are all open here, you just have to wear a mask while walking to the table, and they need to keep a certain distance between the tables. I still prefer sitting outside, but that was my preference even before this mess. Bars, that don’t have tables, are still closed, but they are allowed to put tables out in the street which is nice, as long as the weather is fine. We are currently at a pretty constant rate of about 400-500 new infections per day (for the whole country). Mostly clusters. Churches are risky, especially the very small ones. Meat plants also. Some states are at zero. I fear after the holiday season we will see another steep increase. I really miss concerts, even the postponed shows where I had tickets are now postponed indefinitely again, and even if concerts would be allowed, many of my favorite artists couldn’t get into the country. Next week we will go to Italy, for a two week vacation, that’s a big step forward. Restrictions there are very similar to ours.

Yes and no... and it depends on where and when. Outdoor dining in PA was opened up around mid-june(ish) and indoor dining at reduced capacity around July 4th. Along with indoor dining came bar openings. Of course, people flooded both places. Bars were packed and overflowing outside with people. Some places said, "OK, fuck this." They closed the indoor dining and some places closed bars, too, unless they "served food". Well, the bar owners (thinking it was cute, or just because they were dicks) decided to offer some bullshit "food" to circumvent the order. Many of those are now out of busness, as their liqour licences were revoked. Too bad.

Now, it's all over the map, county by county, city by city, you never know what is open, how many people allowed, and/or if it's indoor allowed, or only outdoor.

All that said, no matter what, I will most likely not be enjoying a meal seated in a restaurant for the foreseeable future. I just wouldn't enjoy it, so what's the point? I don't want to shit in my pants when the guy at the next table sneezes, coughs, or is SCREAMING at the top his lungs. Like I said, I'm a huge pussy. If you are a gambler, you understand the theory behind the "risk of ruin." That's not a bet I am going to make.

I miss it all. But, I am fortunate enough to be able to sit it out, for as long as it takes. Most of it will be around in a year or so. I can wait. It's pretty fucked up out there anyway. A lot of angry people are on both sides. The less I have to deal with any of it - the better.

We are blowing our sacrifice here in Ontario. Cases are rising, and it points to young people and partying. Bar openings seem really foolish.

Same here.... all that work and sacrifice - down the fucking drain, because we do not how to be responsible.

 

[WaywerdSon]

We are blowing our sacrifice here in Ontario. Cases are rising, and it points to young people and partying. Bar openings seem really foolish.

I think its inevitable that every area or region has to go through some spike in cases at some point. Its not exactly herd immunity, but i think a big part of why we see a decrease in infection in places like NYC and Western Europe is that a large enough percentage of the population has been infected and is no longer contagious or capable of catching it again. Keep in mind that you can multiply the case numbers by a factor of at least 10, and possible as much as 25. CDC random antibody tests show at least that level of infection

 

[SWeAT hOg]

I think its inevitable that every area or region has to go through some spike in cases at some point. Its not exactly herd immunity, but i think a big part of why we see a decrease in infection in places like NYC and Western Europe is that a large enough percentage of the population has been infected and is no longer contagious or capable of catching it again. Keep in mind that you can multiply the case numbers by a factor of at least 10, and possible as much as 25. CDC random antibody tests show at least that level of infection

We had a spike. We brought it to a manageable situation. This increase is unnecessary.

 

[Howard2k]

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We had a spike. We brought it to a manageable situation.

Yep. I don’t think it will last. I hope it does but I doubt it. Worth keeping in mind that the intent was to allow the healthcare system to cope, not to ensure eradication.

It would suck to see us get a huge surge.

Lots of good progress has been made but we’re unfortunately headed back on the downward slide towards winter.

 

[larryguitar]

I think its inevitable that every area or region has to go through some spike in cases at some point. Its not exactly herd immunity, but i think a big part of why we see a decrease in infection in places like NYC and Western Europe is that a large enough percentage of the population has been infected and is no longer contagious or capable of catching it again. Keep in mind that you can multiply the case numbers by a factor of at least 10, and possible as much as 25. CDC random antibody tests show at least that level of infection

This is the simple truth. Without a vaccine, we're all going to have to essentially take our turn getting it, and just manage the spread to avoid overwhelming the hospital ICU units. There's no other way to get through this.

Larry

 

[SWeAT hOg]

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Yep. I don’t think it will last. I hope it does but I doubt it. Worth keeping in mind that the intent was to allow the healthcare system to cope, not to ensure eradication.

It would suck to see us get a huge surge.

Lots of good progress has been made but we’re unfortunately headed back on the downward slide towards winter.

I also think a goal is to get businesses and schools open. A spike because of bars and parties threatens that.

 

[SteveC]

I also think a goal is to get businesses and schools open. A spike because of bars and parties threatens that.

This - 100%. I think it is very important to be able to get the schools and businesses back open. It seems, however, many people feel that it's just as, or even more important to be able to do whatever the fuck they feel like doing. It's become an every-man-for-themselves scenario.

And, so - here we are. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

That's is why I am so enthused about the prospect for the two treatments and the multiple vaccines. Only when we have them generally available, will this shit get under control.

 

[redberon2003]

A friend’s father just spent the last three weeks in a hospital, including a weeks’s time in the ICU and a few days on a vent getting over this. His o2 sats still aren’t normal and we’re hoping for a discharge in the next few days and 20+ years to come.......schools and business are both necessary, but so are people. Some feel that mask restricts their freedom, but for others - a person not wearing their mask can end their life. The every man for themselves ideology doesn’t make for a united people. ‍

 

[SWeAT hOg]

 

[Howard2k]

Imperial College vaccine also proceeding to second phase.

Imperial COVID-19 vaccine trial expands to additional sites | Imperial News | Imperial College London

Imperial College London's COVID-19 vaccine trial is expanding to additional sites throughout England.

www.imperial.ac.uk

Preclinical studies have shown that the vaccine produced highly specific antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in mice, which were able to neutralise the virus.

The vaccine will be trialled in more than 200 people across six locations: Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust, St George’s University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, University College London NHS Foundation Trust, University of Surrey and one other in England to be announced over the coming week.

 

[Harmony]

Two people who I work with day by day are on covid leave . One because someone she lives with has it , so she is quarantined and has to get tested . Do not know results, not allowed to know .
The other, my close friend and colleague , got walking orders out of the building and put on covid leave. . All her equipment she uses was out in quarantine somewhere and to be cleaned at a later date . Her boyfriend who also works at our place also was put on leave .

Cannot be told anything other then they are on covid leave for at least 2 weeks .
Out of hundreds or employees.. 2 directly work with me or for me end up on leave .

Hoping it is just for precaution rather than anything more . My friend is keeping quiet , I’m thinking she had probably been told not to say anything to anyone .
Surprisingly most customers are wearing masks . Makes me feel somewhat more comfortable at work if I was honest .

 

[Howard2k]

Two people who I work with day by day are on covid leave . One because someone she lives with has it , so she is quarantined and has to get tested . Do not know results, not allowed to know .
The other, my close friend and colleague , got walking orders out of the building and put on covid leave. . All her equipment she uses was out in quarantine somewhere and to be cleaned at a later date . Her boyfriend who also works at our place also was put on leave .

Cannot be told anything other then they are on covid leave for at least 2 weeks .
Out of hundreds or employees.. 2 directly work with me or for me end up on leave .

Hoping it is just for precaution rather than anything more . My friend is keeping quiet , I’m thinking she had probably been told not to say anything to anyone .
Surprisingly most customers are wearing masks . Makes me feel somewhat more comfortable at work if I was honest .

Sorry to hear that Harmony. My boss and his wife had it (and got past it). For some it won’t be fun but for most it will be fine. Hopefully your friends and peers are all ok too.

 

[lancpudn]

It was Face mask Friday yesterday! We're back to compulsory wearing masks in all stores/businesses over here, I went out to the big DIY B&Q store Thursday to get get some plumbing supplies to install a kitchen sink & it's back to security on the doors only letting a certain number of people in at a time.

 

[SWeAT hOg]

It was Face mask Friday yesterday! We're back to compulsory wearing masks in all stores/businesses over here, I went out to the big DIY B&Q store Thursday to get get some plumbing supplies to install a kitchen sink & it's back to security on the doors only letting a certain number of people in at a time.

Slowly becoming the new normal....

 

[rogue3]

Public Covid testing clinic line ups(quite long) up here have recently been predominantly young people(under 40's).Just from casual street-side observation.The numbers would undoubtedly now reflect that demographic more accurately, if this is truly the case.

 

[lancpudn]

Slowly becoming the new normal....

Yeah it's taking twice as long to get your shopping done with these restrictions although it's been reported that a lot of people are now shopping online, One of the biggest independant parcel/postal delivery companies here (DPD) are advertising for 10,800 drivers jobs and one of our biggest musical instrument retailers (Gear4music) have reported a record amount of online guitar sales since the lockdown

Thousands of Brits on holiday in Spain have just found out they'll have to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival back to Blighty as C-19 cases are on the rise again there.

Coronavirus: 'No apologies' for Spain travel rule change

The foreign secretary defends the government's "swift decision" but Labour calls it "shambolic".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[filtersweep]

Yeah it's taking twice as long to get your shopping done with these restrictions although it's been reported that a lot of people are now shopping online, One of the biggest independant parcel/postal delivery companies here (DPD) are advertising for 10,800 drivers jobs and one of our biggest musical instrument retailers (Gear4music) have reported a record amount of online guitar sales since the lockdown

Thousands of Brits on holiday in Spain have just found out they'll have to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival back to Blighty as C-19 cases are on the rise again there.

Coronavirus: 'No apologies' for Spain travel rule change

The foreign secretary defends the government's "swift decision" but Labour calls it "shambolic".

www.bbc.co.uk

They are fools.

I am furious at the clown of a parent/neighbor who took his 11 year old daughter to Spain— then left to return early before Spain turned red— to escape quarantine— then sent his daughter over to our house to play with our daughter the day before we head to my wife’s parents. One is in a high risk group.

This idiot was in the national news— both for going to Spain, and for returning early— that is how weird this all is. It is bizarre enough to be newsworthy.

I sent his daughter home. Had they waited one extra day, it would be quarantine. WTF?! Doesn’t really change their exposure risk much.

We have had no new cases locally in weeks. The shit will hit the fan after summer travel.

Things were stable enough here that my kids finished school in their classrooms. Masks still are not a thing.

 

[artis_xe]

Yes and no... and it depends on where and when. Outdoor dining in PA was opened up around mid-june(ish) and indoor dining at reduced capacity around July 4th. Along with indoor dining came bar openings. Of course, people flooded both places. Bars were packed and overflowing outside with people. Some places said, "OK, fuck this." They closed the indoor dining and some places closed bars, too, unless they "served food". Well, the bar owners (thinking it was cute, or just because they were dicks) decided to offer some bullshit "food" to circumvent the order. Many of those are now out of busness, as their liqour licences were revoked. Too bad.

we live in NE PA . my Wife is the manager of one of the privately owned bar / restaurants / used to be an entertainment venue

some of the other local businesses were trying to pull off the " minimum requirements " in order to be able to sell alcohol . the place up the street from hers was even giving away a breadstick with every drink . because of stunts like that , the governor had to redefine what constituted as food . a meal that can be considered a breakfast , lunch . or dinner . only one person in the group has to order for everyone to drink __ and once the meal is done , no more drinks can be served . so of course people are getting around this now

plates are being left with a couple of fries on them . people are taking turns ordering meals , to keep the alcohol flowing . some people are ordering meals and leaving them on the plate while they drink . then having them wrapped to go

it's totally against the point of why these orders are in place . but restaurants are letting customers get away with them , because any business is better than none

however . owners are losing money by keeping open with an indoor limit of 25% capacity . the monthly rent at my Wife's places was reduced , but is still $3000 a month . then there's payroll / electric / food costs to consider . the only saving grace is that the owner is also a wholesaler , and supplies some of the small markets and other restaurants in the area

at the end of it all __ restaurants and bars are going to be very hard hit by this . some of the employees that weren't reporting their tips are getting less unemployment compensation than they should be ( their own fault ) . things might close down again in the near future . and that $600 bump is going to be ( I'm only guessing ) dramatically reduced . it's a total shit show for many in the industry

 

[Pop1655]

@artis_xe you have some good insights