Correct pots and Caps?

[lpfaded]

I just purchased a 2006 Gibson Les-Paul VOS 1960 Historic Reissue....These guitars should have CTS Pots and Bumble Bee Caps....THis guitar does not have the correct caps and im not sure if these are CTS pots....Enclosed is a picture of the inside of the cavity....Can you tell me what is correct and what is not?....Thanks

 

[MATTM]

Sure it's a 2006? If I recall, they should have the CTS and Fake Bee's in that year.

At any rate, that has the cheap Gibson Pots (not CTS and I'm guessing not even close to 500K), Ceramic Caps, and it's wired Modern Style.

If it were me, I'd yank the entire harness and replace it. I've got some good solutions if you happen to be interested.

 

[Tim Plains]

I don't know first hand because there aren't a lot of G0s up in Canada but I do know from reading forum posts that older G0s did not have Bees and CTS pots. That may be "correct" for a 2006 G0. Then again, that soldering doesn't look as clean as the factory solder joints in any of my Rs.

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Are you sure of the year? What is the second digit of the SN? 0 ?xxx Those Gibson branded pots were used circa 1998-2002 on Historics.

 

[lpfaded]

Are you sure of the year? What is the second digit of the SN? 0 ?xxx Those Gibson branded pots were used circa 1998-2002 on Historics.

Yes 2nd digit is 0 and have all the paper work with the guitar....Mabe someone could post a picture of the inside of there 1960 historic Les-Paul?>...Thanks

 

[JMV]

If the 2nd digit is a 0 then it's a 2000.

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Yep it would be a 2000 and that would explain the pots and caps you have. Doh! It is not a VOS either, as they came out in 2006. The Historic SN scheme is pretty straight forward.

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Yes 2nd digit is 0 and have all the paper work with the guitar....Mabe someone could post a picture of the inside of there 1960 historic Les-Paul?>...Thanks

They have officially made the 1960 Flametop Reissue since 1991, the long tenoned Historic came out in late 1993, however there were no 1960 Historics made until 1994, and they made only one. In 1995 they made about 25 or so. Only a few each year in the 90s. They didn't make any significant numbers of them until 2003. And depending on the year, the inside of the control cavity will vary. The specs CHANGED through the years. In the 90s they had high quaility CTS pots, then they went to those Gibson labeled ones you have around 99 or so, and then when back to a cheaper CTS pot in 2003. Other people with 2000 R0s will have a very similar looking control cavity. Those starting in 2003 will have bumble bees.

In short your control cavity looks 100% correct for a 2000 Historic.

 

[lpfaded]

They have officially made the 1960 Flametop Reissue since 1991, the long tenoned Historic came out in late 1993, however there were no 1960 Historics made until 1994, and they made only one. In 1995 they made about 25 or so. Only a few each year in the 90s. They didn't make any significant numbers of them until 2003. And depending on the year, the inside of the control cavity will vary. The specs CHANGED through the years. In the 90s they had high quaility CTS pots, then they went to those Gibson labeled ones you have around 99 or so, and then when back to a cheaper CTS pot in 2003. Other people with 2000 R0s will have a very similar looking control cavity. Those starting in 2003 will have bumble bees.

In short your control cavity looks 100% correct for a 2000 Historic.

The serial number is GO 6192 and the case candy that came with it had a Bumble Bee Equiped tag....So now can you tell me what year it is and if this is correct?....Model number LP GC 60....I was told this was a special run for guitar center in 2006?

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Oh! You mean G0 6192? Then it would be a 1960 RI made for Guitar Center made in 2006. And they are supposed to have bumble bees. I am not sure when the G0s had them consistantly, but they have off and on from the start, certainly by 2006 they were all supposed to have them.

These threads would be much shorter and more informative if the OP would spill all the beans right off. We certainly can't tell by a single picture of a control cavity.

It IS possible than someone switched out the electronics from another Les Paul, or just as likely Gibson goofed.

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

If you LIKE the guitar, enough not to send it back, trade it in or whatever, it is pretty inexpensive to put in MUCH better pots and caps, especially if you can do the labor yourself.

 

[ACELUEK]

Here is a shot of my 2010 R8 cavity.. No CTS markings.. Sure they are..

Look at the nice solder ball I had to remove before it ended up in a pot..

 

[frank4001]

My "06 GO looks exactly the same and sounds great. I'm not changing a thing. Their taper is little quick but you get used to it.. The guy I bought it from sent me caps and pots he was going to change out but never did 'cause he was fine with it as it was too. If you're not happy then by all means have at it but maybe hang with it bit..

My serial os GO 6280

 

[lpfaded]

Here is a shot of my 2010 R8 cavity.. No CTS markings.. Sure they are..

Look at the nice solder ball I had to remove before it ended up in a pot..

Thanks for the picture....Looks Clean

 

[lpfaded]

My "06 GO looks exactly the same and sounds great. I'm not changing a thing. Their taper is little quick but you get used to it.. The guy I bought it from sent me caps and pots he was going to change out but never did 'cause he was fine with it as it was too. If you're not happy then by all means have at it but maybe hang with it bit..

My serial os GO 6280

Thanks for the info!...How is the neck on your guitar?....I have quite a few Standards with 60's profile necks but the historic is a bit fatter....If you have time post a picture of the inside of your cavity...Thanks

 

[frank4001]

Thanks for the info!...How is the neck on your guitar?....I have quite a few Standards with 60's profile necks but the historic is a bit fatter....If you have time post a picture of the inside of your cavity...Thanks

I agree on the neck. I had a 2000 Standard and that neck was a bit thinner and had a rounder shape vs. the GO. The GO neck is only "thin" compared to other historics. I find it very comfortable.

 

[neils]

FWIW the 4 500K pots in my 2002 R4 all measured within 5% of 500K AND I preferred the taper to the much more abrupt RS Superpots and 50's wiring.

But of course I changed it out to RS and it does sound great. Just gotta get used to the volume taper. Still I'd like to try just good 500K CTS pots and see what that taper is like.

Changing out those caps will make far more difference than changing the pots IMO and I've tried lots of PIO caps.

Every try the Allesandro pots? 100% straight line from "0-10" amazing, and $40 a pop.

Neil

 

[KenG]

To the OP thr "RO" stamped in your control cavity is the first clue and is more informative than the Pots/caps. Second, I would string one ground wire from the Rythm Tone Pot body across to the Treble Tone Pot body (see Aceluek's wiring). Right now your Bridge is grounded to the Rythm PU Circuit but not to the Treble Circuit ground. Any continuity between them would have be at the toggle switch area or be the uninsulated shields touching in the wire routing cavity.

 

[lpfaded]

I agree on the neck. I had a 2000 Standard and that neck was a bit thinner and had a rounder shape vs. the GO. The GO neck is only "thin" compared to other historics. I find it very comfortable.

Thanks for the pictures....Now i don't feel so bad...I might play it for a while and see if i can get used to it....But chances are i will change out the pots and caps....My Go is a 2006 what year is yours?.....Guitar center sold these guitars under false advertisment....I even have the Bumble Bee tag with my case candy....All Historics in 2006 should have vintags electrics including CST 500 K pots and Bumble Bee caps....I think i will give them a call to let them know what happened....If they don't already know???....Thanks [email protected]

 

[LongBeach]

2008 (blurry, sorry) PT R0, not GC's version, but, same difference.

2009 R0 PT, not GC's version, but, same difference...again!