Child killer murdered in jail

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He deserved it, I hope he suffered.



Hi, what is "an indefinite life term?" Never heard that term before. :confused:

Canada has something called the Dangerous Offender Act... "immediate sentence of imprisonment for an indeterminate period, with no chance of parole for seven years."

Chances of getting out on parole are pretty slim though.
 

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I'd like to donate to the inmate's commissary account. A job well done.
 

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Why waste time sending them to jail.
All convicted child molesters should be tortured and killed.
Why waste money.
 

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Call me a cold hearted beyatch but... :applause:
 

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Hi, what is "an indefinite life term?" Never heard that term before. :confused:

In the UK a life sentence means that you do some jail time and then you are released on license until you die. If you breach the terms of your license (fail to report to a police station as required, get busted for a minor offence etc) you go back to prison.

The minimum amount of jail time required is set by the judge when he passes sentence. An indefinite life term means that no minimum prison term is set, and the perp does not qualify for a parole hearing until he is deemed to be safe to release.
 

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urban myth its why you hear little of it happening

it will get you seg'd faster than anything

Pure 100% BS.

First let me say that I work for a Sheriff's office, with a 300 bed jail.


I have first hand knowlage that it does happen. Inmates tell others that they are in for something else. If they happen to find out the real reason they are in you are right they will usually be moved from the general population...for their own safety...after the first attack.

Inmates generally want to keep their nose clean...it makes life a little more easy....but those waiting to go to state or fed, they generally don't care and what is one more charge. That seems to be how they take it.
 

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Seeing how there's no true justice, every now and then a miserable story has a happy ending.
 

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Why waste time sending them to jail.
All convicted child molesters should be tortured and killed.
Why waste money.

There is a very good reason wrongfull conviction. There have been several in Cali over the past few years that have taken a decade to be overturned due to new evidence and shotty police work. I agree that there should stiffer penalties for first time offenders but our system does not always work. Every human has the right to appeal there case with new evidence. California, for example, 3 strikes law is ridiculous. I have a friend that was in his younger days a bad man and picked up 2 justifiable strikes but was struck out on a non violent offense. He recieved 13 years but because of his previous strikes received another 15years on top and has to do 85% of this. He is appealing it now. By the way the strike are from nearly 20 years ago and he is now 52 eligible for parole in another 20 yrs. I know this is off topic due to what this man has done but still has to do with the faulty court system and to just killing them after conviction.
 

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There is a very good reason wrongfull conviction. There have been several in Cali over the past few years that have taken a decade to be overturned due to new evidence and shotty police work. I agree that there should stiffer penalties for first time offenders but our system does not always work. Every human has the right to appeal there case with new evidence. California, for example, 3 strikes law is ridiculous. I have a friend that was in his younger days a bad man and picked up 2 justifiable strikes but was struck out on a non violent offense. He recieved 13 years but because of his previous strikes received another 15years on top and has to do 85% of this. He is appealing it now. By the way the strike are from nearly 20 years ago and he is now 52 eligible for parole in another 20 yrs. I know this is off topic due to what this man has done but still has to do with the faulty court system and to just killing them after conviction.

I would say it would depend on what the latest offense is. Just because it is non violent does not make it not very very bad.
 

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Stealing food. In California they will strike you out for any offense. He stole some food about 10 dollars worth from a grocery store. Checked his status today and it shows his appeal is over he has lost. He lost it a while ago.
 

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Stealing food. In California they will strike you out for any offense. He stole some food about 10 dollars worth from a grocery store. Checked his status today and it shows his appeal is over he has lost. He lost it a while ago.

That is pretty tough...I assume he was homeless with no other assets...but there are still other ways to feed yourself other then stealing. The shop owner had to pay for that item and now he is out...is it right for him to be on the loosing end just because somone will not go to a shelter?

Sorry for your friend...but he knew better and there are other ways to get by, even if homeless to get food.
 

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Stealing food. In California they will strike you out for any offense. He stole some food about 10 dollars worth from a grocery store. Checked his status today and it shows his appeal is over he has lost. He lost it a while ago.

Then your buddy has an incompetent lawyer. The Three Strikes Law here reads that it can only be applied to:

CA Penal Code said:
(4) As used in this subdivision, "serious felony" means a serious felony listed in subdivision (c) of Section 1192.7.

Three Strikes - The Law's Text

That definition, in turn, reads:

(c) As used in this section, "serious felony" means any of the
following:
(1) Murder or voluntary manslaughter; (2) mayhem; (3) rape; (4)
sodomy by force, violence, duress, menace, threat of great bodily
injury, or fear of immediate and unlawful bodily injury on the victim
or another person; (5) oral copulation by force, violence, duress,
menace, threat of great bodily injury, or fear of immediate and
unlawful bodily injury on the victim or another person; (6) lewd or
lascivious act on a child under 14 years of age; (7) any felony
punishable by death or imprisonment in the state prison for life; (8)
any felony in which the defendant personally inflicts great bodily
injury on any person, other than an accomplice, or any felony in
which the defendant personally uses a firearm; (9) attempted murder;
(10) assault with intent to commit rape or robbery; (11) assault with
a deadly weapon or instrument on a peace officer; (12) assault by a
life prisoner on a noninmate; (13) assault with a deadly weapon by an
inmate; (14) arson; (15) exploding a destructive device or any
explosive with intent to injure; (16) exploding a destructive device
or any explosive causing bodily injury, great bodily injury, or
mayhem; (17) exploding a destructive device or any explosive with
intent to murder; (18) any burglary of the first degree; (19) robbery
or bank robbery; (20) kidnapping; (21) holding of a hostage by a
person confined in a state prison; (22) attempt to commit a felony
punishable by death or imprisonment in the state prison for life;
(23) any felony in which the defendant personally used a dangerous or
deadly weapon; (24) selling, furnishing, administering, giving, or
offering to sell, furnish, administer, or give to a minor any heroin,
cocaine, phencyclidine (PCP), or any methamphetamine-related drug,
as described in paragraph (2) of subdivision (d) of Section 11055 of
the Health and Safety Code, or any of the precursors of
methamphetamines, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (1)
of subdivision (f) of Section 11055 or subdivision (a) of Section
11100 of the Health and Safety Code; (25) any violation of
subdivision (a) of Section 289 where the act is accomplished against
the victim's will by force, violence, duress, menace, or fear of
immediate and unlawful bodily injury on the victim or another person;
(26) grand theft involving a firearm; (27) carjacking; (28) any
felony offense, which would also constitute a felony violation of
Section 186.22; (29) assault with the intent to commit mayhem, rape,
sodomy, or oral copulation, in violation of Section 220; (30)
throwing acid or flammable substances, in violation of Section 244;
(31) assault with a deadly weapon, firearm, machinegun, assault
weapon, or semiautomatic firearm or assault on a peace officer or
firefighter, in violation of Section 245; (32) assault with a deadly
weapon against a public transit employee, custodial officer, or
school employee, in violation of Section 245.2, 245.3, or 245.5; (33)
discharge of a firearm at an inhabited dwelling, vehicle, or
aircraft, in violation of Section 246; (34) commission of rape or
sexual penetration in concert with another person, in violation of
Section 264.1; (35) continuous sexual abuse of a child, in violation
of Section 288.5; (36) shooting from a vehicle, in violation of
subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100; (37) intimidation of victims
or witnesses, in violation of Section 136.1; (38) criminal threats,
in violation of Section 422; (39) any attempt to commit a crime
listed in this subdivision other than an assault; (40) any violation
of Section 12022.53; (41) a violation of subdivision (b) or (c) of
Section 11418; and (42) any conspiracy to commit an offense described
in this subdivision.

http://www.threestrikes.org/tslaw.html

It's clear, then, that you cannot be struck for "any offense."

The only one which might involve stealing food would be the charge of first-degree burglary, which CA defines as:

CPC said:
460. (a) Every burglary of an inhabited dwelling house, vessel, as
defined in the Harbors and Navigation Code, which is inhabited and
designed for habitation, floating home, as defined in subdivision (d)
of Section 18075.55 of the Health and Safety Code, or trailer coach,
as defined by the Vehicle Code, or the inhabited portion of any
other building, is burglary of the first degree.
(b) All other kinds of burglary are of the second degree.
(c) This section shall not be construed to supersede or affect
Section 464 of the Penal Code.

CA Codes (pen:458-464)

Quite frankly, there are many options for food that do not involve theft, anyway: food banks, Catholic Charities, and the like come to mind immediately. Perhaps your friend should've availed himself of those avenues, rather than electing to break the law a third time.
 

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Quite frankly, there are many options for food that do not involve theft, anyway: food banks, Catholic Charities, and the like come to mind immediately. Perhaps your friend should've availed himself of those avenues, rather than electing to break the law a third time.

I am leary about typing this....but the old stealing food is a little.....ahhhh...well....you know.
 

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