Chibsons are getting good

[Electric Funeral]

You can get a legit Epi to satisfy that itch!

For the record, he was talking about a knockoff of a custom-shop ESP guitar, not a Gibson.

Still though, I agree with the point of your post - he could get a used KH-202 and have it painted. Sure it'll be about twice what a counterfeit would cost, but I guarantee it would be more that twice the guitar. Even the low-end LTD's are pretty sweet players.

 

[Electric Funeral]

Or...

Kirk Hammett' ESP Ouija Full Set of Decals

You could even use those as a stencil, just spray white first then stick these on and spray black overtop. Once it's dry carefully peel them off, wetsand and clearcoat and you're done. It worked for EVH it'll work for you.

Also, for the fretboard:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ouija-Kirk-H...735?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item23072d1e3f

This way you can take any LTD M-series, add an extra volume control and graphics and you've got yourself a legit guitar that you can still hang on the wall.

 

[2manyGuitars]

I have 4 Chesters and 5 Lesters in my office that I have modified all with total Gibson Parts.

And the only reason they are able to illegally make and illegally sell these is because they are able to find morally deficient people to illegally buy them. You sir, are the cause of this problem.

If you really are concerned with these undetectable fakes being out there with the potential to fool someone not nearly as smart as you, then there's an easy solution...
It involves a belt sander.

It seems it was sorta OK to have these fakes make it into the world. As long as you could spot one kinda easy.

No, it was never okay. If you truly believe what you wrote, then there's no point in debating you any further.

By the way, fake Gibsons are lot like those those "women" you find all over the internet that come with "optional equipment". Never mind the obvious comparison that they mostly come from Asia. A lot of them LOOK almost passable at a quick glance but I suspect the ones who claim that "you can't tell them from the real thing" really can. They just don't want to admit to themselves that they really like the fakes because it's easier than trying to obtain the real thing. Once you reach down and grab a handful, the difference is immediately apparent. I'm talking about the guitar now...

 

[Electric Funeral]

A lot of them LOOK almost passable at a quick glance but I suspect the ones who claim that "you can't tell them from the real thing" really can. They just don't want to admit to themselves that they really like the fakes because it's easier than trying to obtain the real thing. Once you reach down and grab a handful, the difference is immediately apparent. I'm talking about the guitar now...

 

[Bobby Mahogany]

As a fake Gibson is only Gibson by its name,
the satisfaction of owning one can only be superficial.

 

[BuzzHaze]

I think you're making the grave mistake in assuming everyone agrees to pay over $2000 for a slab of wood and some metal.

Diminishing returns start at $1500 whether its a Gibson or PRS. Again its only a slab of wood and $8 worth of metal.

..and describe a new $30,000 car for me. It's all the same. With your attitude, you might as well live in a cave wearing bear skins and riding a bicycle.

I earn money to spend it on the things I want, the things that make me happy. I've made some serious money with my slabs of wood. I think it's justified. I can just imagine what you'd have to say about my race car but it's one of the things that keeps me sane and keeps me out of trouble.

 

[Otto tune]

When they copy Mini E-Tune, then there's trouble.

 

[duke1098]

..and describe a new $30,000 car for me. It's all the same. With your attitude, you might as well live in a cave wearing bear skins and riding a bicycle.

I earn money to spend it on the things I want, the things that make me happy. I've made some serious money with my slabs of wood. I think it's justified. I can just imagine what you'd have to say about my race car but it's one of the things that keeps me sane and keeps me out of trouble.

you win. I cant compete with Dan Aykroyd wearing a helmet.

 

[misled]

Fakes are easy to spot: brass nut, wide neck, a transformers toy stuck between tuners... Use your eyes people!

 

[BuzzHaze]

you win. I cant compete with Dan Aykroyd wearing a helmet.

wtf are you babbling about? Dan Aykroyd? Is that supposed to be an insult to me as a Canadian?

Look pal, you're the one who's on a Les Paul site yapping about them being a slab of wood with $8.00 in hardware. Perhaps you should go somewhere else to sling your bullsh*t. It's not my fault your a broke-ass miserable asshat.

 

[duke1098]

wtf are you babbling about? Dan Aykroyd? Is that supposed to be an insult to me as a Canadian?

Look pal, you're the one who's on a Les Paul site yapping about them being a slab of wood with $8.00 in hardware. Perhaps you should go somewhere else to sling your bullsh*t. It's not my fault your a broke-ass miserable asshat.

Dear friend
I was refering to guitars and yes I am fully aware im on a Les Paul site, and you somehow YOU deem it pertienent to post a picture of a blues mobile.

Im a broke-ass miserable asshat? ok Mr Big Spenda. Spend your hard earned moula wherever you see fit. Toy cars and mangy Thailand hookers. peace out.

 

[BuzzHaze]

Dear friend
I was refering to guitars and yes I am fully aware im on a Les Paul site, and you somehow YOU deem it pertienent to post a picture of a blues mobile.

Im a broke-ass miserable asshat? ok Mr Big Spenda. Spend your hard earned moula wherever you see fit. Toy cars and mangy Thailand hookers. peace out.

So why didn't you just say that in the first place instead of trying to make the members here feel like idiots for buying their Les Pauls? or do I have to quote your description of what you think they are? Did you feel that was a good thing to say? And as far as your convoluted remark about my race car, I posted it because you seem to think you can tell people what's good value for money. I personally do what makes me happy. It was a direct "screw you" to your comments.

Say what you want but coming here to basically tell us we wasted our money on our Les Pauls is going to get you an ass-load of "screw you" Follow me?. Why are you even here posting? or are you here to show support for fake Gibsons? ya...brilliant

 

[Electric Funeral]

Im a broke-ass miserable asshat? ok Mr Big Spenda. Spend your hard earned moula wherever you see fit. Toy cars and mangy Thailand hookers. peace out.

I really, really think you're missing the point dude.

All he's saying is that with a normal job and the right choices you can attain anything you want. Whatever that may be. All of this offence you're taking is completely unfounded, if anything he was trying to empower you.

And hey, I personally see the value of a cost-effective alternative to a high-priced signature model and obviously so do numerous major manufacturers. I agree that it would be nice to have a guitar that pays tribute to, or approximates a particular famous axe. But there are ways to accomplish that which do not directly support an every growing sub-industry of an essentially criminal nature. I've listed a couple for you in a previous post.

 

[Rob H.]

It's hard for me to believe anyone who's spend a good amount of time playing Gibsons would be fooled by a Chibson. There are so many nuances to the build of a Gibson they would largely missed due to inexperience, not due to any great effort or achievement by counterfeiters IMO.

Now if the crooks start using vanilla scented buffing compound, that could change things

 

[Who]

The dead giveaway for me is the bridge, horn and headstock shape and this one had all 3 perfect. ....

Look closer. The V in the center of the headstock will have been cut with a pin-router, so it will be rounded at the bottom.

The Gibson will actually have a sharp angle there.


It's funny.... Ask some people on this forum, they'll tell you Gibson's quality has been going down. Now we see China's quality is coming up.

Anybody remember Honda and Toyota being called "Jap scrap" in the 70s and early 80s?

These counterfeit makers should get together and create a new brand-name, and just beat Epiphone and Gibson at their game, without trademark infractions. China is a HUGE market, and these would all be domestic-production guitars.

Then they can have an online forum where they make fun of Gibson trying to match their quality.

 

[Electric Funeral]

Look closer. The V in the center of the headstock will have been cut with a pin-router, so it will be rounded at the bottom.

The Gibson will actually have a sharp angle there.


It's funny.... Ask some people on this forum, they'll tell you Gibson's quality has been going down. Now we see China's quality is coming up.

Anybody remember Honda and Toyota being called "Jap scrap" in the 70s and early 80s?

These counterfeit makers should get together and create a new brand-name, and just beat Epiphone and Gibson at their game, without trademark infractions. China is a HUGE market, and these would all be domestic-production guitars.

Then they can have an online forum where they make fun of Gibson trying to match their quality.

That's already going on in the MIJ section, and for very good reason mind you.

If Tokai and Navigator got together and formed a brand called "Gibo-San" or something I'm pretty sure they would end up dominating the market.

 

[duke1098]

So why didn't you just say that in the first place instead of trying to make the members here feel like idiots for buying their Les Pauls? or do I have to quote your description of what you think they are? Did you feel that was a good thing to say? And as far as your convoluted remark about my race car, I posted it because you seem to think you can tell people what's good value for money. I personally do what makes me happy. It was a direct "screw you" to your comments.

Say what you want but coming here to basically tell us we wasted our money on our Les Pauls is going to get you an ass-load of "screw you" Follow me?. Why are you even here posting? or are you here to show support for fake Gibsons? ya...brilliant

Every now and again I see these sort of posts which construes a double face palm. But here goes...
People on this forum are savvy enough to know how OR when to spend thier money and whether value for money ranks high on their decision making process.
They dont need you and me telling them that to reach the zenith of their playing journey you need to sweat like a blue arse fly to save your hard earned cash and buy thay $6000 tribute guitar.

That's not what it's all about. Think about it!

I'm not advocating that people should rush out and order their Chibson guitar for 350USD and try too fool their mates they've scored a $6000 axe.

But if ONE does not feel comfortable spending an extraodinary amount - saving away - depriving himself or his family of the other MORE IMPORTANT nessessities in life - he doesn't have to.
See the value for money in purchases like I do. Hence the plank of wood and $8 example. Im not dissing anyones purchase. This is simply my opinion and my purchasing guideline in life.
Buy what you feel comfortable with, what you can relate and more importantly what you can afford.

It's that simple.

 

[BuzzHaze]

I really, really think you're missing the point dude.

All he's saying is that with a normal job and the right choices you can attain anything you want. Whatever that may be. All of this offence you're taking is completely unfounded, if anything he was trying to empower you.

And hey, I personally see the value of a cost-effective alternative to a high-priced signature model and obviously so do numerous major manufacturers. I agree that it would be nice to have a guitar that pays tribute to, or approximates a particular famous axe. But there are ways to accomplish that which do not directly support an every growing sub-industry of an essentially criminal nature. I've listed a couple for you in a previous post.

My original post about setting goals was the "Thrill", the original poster. This "duke" guy decided it was his place to tell me that I wasted my money on a "slab of wood with $8 worth of metal" which garnered my reply. I wouldn't waste my breath trying to convince someone who clearly has his own agenda. If he wants to support fake Gibsons made in China then he is going to get nothing but contempt from me and most of the other members on this board. He is probably in the business of either making or selling forgeries to unsuspecting musicians, which pisses me right off.

Duke whatever, can take a flying leap off the closest cliff for all I care.

 

[fleahead]

Shit, for this thread you'da thunk we'd see examples of all these "gettin' better copies...

 

[duke1098]

It's funny.... Ask some people on this forum, they'll tell you Gibson's quality has been going down. Now we see China's quality is coming up.

Anybody remember Honda and Toyota being called "Jap scrap" in the 70s and early 80s?

Indeed. Japan made goods were dissed as inferior to American goods and held with the disdain.
And to an extent it was true. The've just come out of a costly war and needed to kickstart their economy and get back on their feet.
They flooded the market with cheaper - plagiarised goods helped by Americans importers.

Fast forward to the 70's and 80's MIJ quality was becoming so good that it started to send American companies to the brick wall. Cars♦Guitars♦Motorcycles♦Electrical goods etc..
The rest is current history....