Chibson Fakes Are Getting Alot Better! Scary!

Thumpalumpacus

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Perhaps, most likely not. EBay would make the seller reimburse the buyer. Then the seller would have to try to get the shipper to pay for damages.

I know 2 wrongs don't make a right but by breaking the headstock off and filing a claim to get reimbursed gets the fake guitar off the market.

I've had to reimburse money back on several items, not because of our packing methods but I'm certain to shady buyers.

So let's say you have a item that you broke and you find one exactly like yours on Ebay. You simply switch out items and file a claim saying that the item you bought was broke when you opened the box.

It's a theory that I have that I've seen done to us a few times. I tried fighting one case for a dumb 30.00 cookie jar that I knew the seller either dropped it while unpacking it or she broke hers and swapped it out with mine. Either way EBay will almost always side with the buyer in these cases.
I get where you're coming from, but even if the shipper wins, that costs everyone who uses them, because those costs are passed along, I imagine.
 

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The majority of those errors that they keep doing are not fixable without actually producing a Gibson level build, which mean a product that would cost to much for the chibson market... and they would also force Gibson and Federal Laws to seriously face and attack the porblem.

Just look at how much time require to produce a Gibson replica, level of craftmanship and deep knowledge, and how much they cost.

Chibson market its not to scam people, since they sell for 200 bucks. Its people reselling those, that are trying to scam.
I agree @PierM in reference to costly measures to make a copy more Gibson like. I’m talking about how over the past years they’ve made numerous improvements to little things that are Not expensive. Remember the 3 screw TRC? Also the really bad headstock script and logo, and the deeply flawed horn and bridge and tailpiece placement.

There are more...these are some of the little things that they have corrected to some degree or other. The current counterfeit Chibsons are much better than the ones from only a few years ago, and these are the things we all have posted to help others to discern the difference.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t have done it...I’m merely saying we may have inadvertently helped them to make a better fake with the things they could correct with virtually no additional cost.
 

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I agree @PierM in reference to costly measures to make a copy more Gibson like. I’m talking about how over the past years they’ve made numerous improvements to little things that are Not expensive. Remember the 3 screw TRC? Also the really bad headstock script and logo, and the deeply flawed horn and bridge and tailpiece placement.

There are more...these are some of the little things that they have corrected to some degree or other. The current counterfeit Chibsons are much better than the ones from only a few years ago, and these are the things we all have posted to help others to discern the difference.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t have done it...I’m merely saying we may have inadvertently helped them to make a better fake with the things they could correct with virtually no additional cost.
I don't think there are Chinese guys lurking here really.

If they want to create a replica all they need to do is to buy a Gibson Les Paul and use it as template. No need to over complicate the task, reading forum opinions. There are professional templates available. Books with measures. CAD files with measures etc... Again, it's not what they want. They didn't even manage to make a proper Epiphone copy, even if they are made in China, so they can grab one for cheap and clone it. They keep doing it wrong. They don't want to make a 100% clone.

Honestly, it's years there are those "better" chibson. Usually they are the more expensive (around 250/350$), but it's not something happening now, they always been there...if you know where to search.
 

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My go-to used to be nibs ... then fakes started to show up nibbed. Then it was bridge-posts (slotted or solid?) ... as the fake above shows, that is dicey too. Nowadays the first thing I look for are headstock wings -- but any more it's a matter of looking at the whole thing closely.

I came across this fake a few weeks ago at a local pawn shop, and after taking a few pics, got the shop manager and went over exactly how I knew it was a fake. I doubt it made much of an impression -- "uh huh" seemed to be his go-to reply.

Here are my pics, and a breakdown of the cues I saw:





1) The body-shape is wrong. The cutaways are too deep, and the waist is too pinched.
2) The bridge had metric posts.
3) The controls are wrong. The knobs are too close to each other, and neither the 3-way switch nor the output jacks line up with the knobs as they should.



4) The headstock is obviously fake, the "mustache" is too sharp and the 'stock in general is too long and too narrow. I know little about logo fonts and years, but I know this logo is crooked.
5) The flanges on the tuners are too wide.
6) Hard to think of a wonkier "Custom" diamond.
7) The TRC is grounded to the nut, rather than about 3/8" away from it as in real Gibbys.

All this much was evident without even looking at the back, where we might find no wings on the headstock, or a scarf-joint on the neck -- both of which are also common tells.

Anyway, hope that helps.
That one is so fake it hurts to think it's on display somewhere. A chipmunk or beaver or dog could carve a better headstock.
 

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Y'all mean the leg ain't posed to point right at a freaking gear post?

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This is all you "budding experts" need, just this one clue (though sometimes it's easier to tell from the back than the front).


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Until they stop cutting the headstocks with a pin-router, and switch to using a file.... look for the "V" shape
Thanks, @Who I learned this from you a couple months ago, and I always look for this.

Who RULES
 

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I put in a $10000.00 bid for that POS who wants to start a bidding war? :rofl:
Which guitar? The Slash one is all this DB is selling right now since someone bought the other one and got scammed yesterday. I see the Slash is up to $2000 USD! I have a sneaky feeling some of you guys are behind those bids!! :hmm::dude:

So how does it work, bid to win the guitar then report it as a fake and get your money back so no one else can buy it and be scammed this time?
 

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Yeah that's the one. I just put in outrageous bids so I end up winning the auction then I don't pay and I call eBay and explain to them that it is fake and I'm not paying. I have done it quite a few times with no problems and the guitar never gets listed again. Go for it, bid it up like I said I have a 10K bid on it.
 

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Hilarious! Its clearly a fake and a poor one at that, even the signature on the pic guard looks dodgey.
 
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We all know it is fake but just so I can have proof from Gibson (that way I can tell e bay that Gibson confirmed it is counterfeit) I sent the pics and the e bay link to Gibson and they of course confirmed it is a counterfeit and is forwarding it to their legal department. Tomorrow it might just disappear. :cheers:
 

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http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&toolid=10001&campid=5338014323&icep_item=142711111346

Here's another fun way to spot the fake:

It's an "'86 Slash" model. AFD didn't come out until '87.

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Right! This was my message to him. I’ve yet to receive a reply.

“You know what I find hilarious about your ad? I collect Slash memorabilia. This is listed as a 1986 Slash model. Appetite for Destruction didn’t get released until July 21st, 1987 and Slash didn’t become a household name until about a year later . Gibson didn’t release a Slash signature until 1990 and it was extremely limited. Again in 1997 with the Snakepit guitar and about every 2-4 years after that. It must be nice to walk through the world without the slightest hint of a conscience. Being able to burn people out of their hard earned money that for some takes years to save, without batting an eye, takes a special kind of a**hole.”
 

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The bid is over $10k... sadly lol they would be better off with my Epi 60s tribute and a kick in the nuts lol
Yeah lol! Pathetic attempt....

I think (and hope), that people that usually spend those money for a Gibson, have the proper knowledge to spot a fake like that...

Was wondering that maybe we should also report to PayPal...
 




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