Cherry Red ‘71 LPC

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Here’s a 1972 for comparison

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Even the control route is different for an early ‘70s.....
 

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Here’s a 1971 Deluxe cavity route.... note the square channel and it’s location between the pots.

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Much lower than the round channel and closer to bridge volume than your pics.
 
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Here Is a pic of 1971 Les Paul Custom in Cherry Burst... note the square channel and pot codes.

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That is correct, this is NOT a 1971.

Those brown oblong caps were used in 74/75.

My bet is this is a 1975.

Seems like I have heard that somewhere here before?

I see that the vacation is over for some....... :rofl:
 

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The channel shape and location seem to close the case in favor of the guitar being a ‘75, assuming that a ‘75 LPC would have witch hats and a wired ABR-1. I’m told the pickups are T-Tops. Is that correct for ‘75?
Curiously, the caps in the ’71 and ‘72 Deluxes you guys have shown are Sprague paper-in-oil, but the ones in the ‘71 LPC look just like “those brown oblong caps” that “were used in 74/75”.
So what we have here is most likely a Wine Red ‘75 LPC, all-original (I assume this since no one seems to have been troubled by the sloppy solder work) but in need of a re-fret. Value $3K-ish, perhaps?
My thanks to HardCore Troubadour and DarrellV for their early skepticism and accurate call, to Mudface for his helpful photos, and to others for their comments and interest in this thread.
 

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The channel shape and location seem to close the case in favor of the guitar being a ‘75, assuming that a ‘75 LPC would have witch hats and a wired ABR-1. I’m told the pickups are T-Tops. Is that correct for ‘75?
Curiously, the caps in the ’71 and ‘72 Deluxes you guys have shown are Sprague paper-in-oil, but the ones in the ‘71 LPC look just like “those brown oblong caps” that “were used in 74/75”.
So what we have here is most likely a Wine Red ‘75 LPC, all-original (I assume this since no one seems to have been troubled by the sloppy solder work) but in need of a re-fret. Value $3K-ish, perhaps?
My thanks to HardCore Troubadour and DarrellV for their early skepticism and accurate call, to Mudface for his helpful photos, and to others for their comments and interest in this thread.
I think the ‘71 Custom had its original caps replaced as those are not original for ‘71,

Your example could be a late ‘74 early ‘75 as that was a transition period.... lack of anniversary inlay doesn’t mean it’s not a ‘74... but early ‘75 did have the ABR and witch hats before the switch to the Nashville.... the sloppy soldering means things have been messed with. Original?.... hard to say.

Your estimate is not far off.
 

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I'll say this again because it comes up so many times in sale listings - its amazing how many 70-71 guitars end up being 74's. At least the OP went through the process of finding out what the guitar actually was before selling.
And I suspect many of the 'listing errors' are not that at all, but an attempt at scamming someone who is not quite so up on 70's Gibsons. You can get quite a bit more for the 70/71 period guitar. It maintains a little of the CME era lustre.

Nominally people say Wine Red was a 74 colour, but from some info around early 75 seems to be the first sighting of it.
 

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To throw another wine red into the mix.....my 75 LPC.
Its a lefty so there are perhaps odd construction bits like the wiring channel position and size.
Only 1 original electrical component left - neck vol pot - code 1377523
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wow that is the only 75 I have seen with a square channel....I will bet that is attributed to thee low number of lefties that went out, I would bet this guitar started well before 75.

I have a 75 deluxe and the ONLY reason I have to call it a 75 is the pot dates, all other features are 100% 1974 etc.

Nice piece bud...I love wine red and wish I still had the deluxe I used to own in that color.
 

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^ Yeah, maybe. Like your Deluxe, mine is certainly all 70-74 features otherwise.

I mean the wiring channel for lefties is opposite in angle to a RH guitar. So any jig for drilling (the round hole you see) wouldn't necessarily work for a LH guitar. So maybe that is why the square channel is still there.
 

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Its very late 73 - early 75. Many signs point to this statement - Gibson logo, headstock shape, color, second inlay is smaller than third one near neck pickup (this changed in late 71 and its one of the best indications to date pre 72 Les Paul Custom), binding shape etc.
 

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I’m in the 75 camp on this. Did you ever get shots of the pickups? They definitely messed with the wiring probably changing pickups at some point. Not saying originals aren’t back in.
 

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