Changes in 50s style wiring on Les Paul

[Pertcev]

Now it's wired so that cap and ground are swapped. Does this affect anything?

 

[VDeuce]

In most cases, on the tone pot, the outer lug is grounded so as to avoid solder from getting inside the case, as the case has a hole in the center lug position. It makes no difference if you ground the center or the outer. I prefer to ground the outer so as not to risk getting solder flowing in the case hole near the center lug.

 

[Brazilnut]

I don't think that is the OP's question, although you definitely provided important information. But I'm not sure exactly what he means, either.

 

[CB91710]

Both are electrically identical.
You have a resistor in series with a capacitor.
The important thing is that the tone control is landed on the volume wiper.

 

[Bobby Mahogany]

Both are electrically identical.
You have a resistor in series with a capacitor.
The important thing is that the tone control is landed on the volume wiper.

OK so Slash Tone?

 

[Pertcev]

Both are electrically identical.
You have a resistor in series with a capacitor.
The important thing is that the tone control is landed on the volume wiper.

I think so too, but one dude told me that with different soldering there are differences in the interaction of the volume and tone knobs.

 

[Pertcev]

I tried both options right now. And I didn't hear the difference...

 

[Brazilnut]

I tried both options right now. And I didn't hear the difference...

Well, that's good to know! Thanks for doing the experiment.

 

[ARandall]

I think so too, but one dude told me that with different soldering there are differences in the interaction of the volume and tone knobs.

Maybe you simply misunderstood the 'one dude'.
The difference in one soldering joint on the volume pot makes all the difference - thats modern vs 50's wiring after all.

 

[Pertcev]

Scarcely any misunderstanding.
Yep, we knew about Modern and 50s, and that on volume was 'the difference in one soldering joint'.
The dispute was about the tone pot.

 

[CB91710]

Scarcely any misunderstanding.
Yep, we knew about Modern and 50s, and that on volume was 'the difference in one soldering joint'.
The dispute was about the tone pot.

But the only difference between "Modern" and "50s" is the connection of the tone circuit to the signal chain (pickup or output side of the volume pot)

This:

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Is electrically identical to this:

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The tone cap can go between the pots, it can go to either the end terminal of the pot, the wiper terminal, or it can go between the pot terminal and the pot case ground.
It is a resistor in series with a capacitor shorting the high frequencies to ground.
You are using the same portion of the tone pot trace, so there is no difference in taper.

 

[Pertcev]

CB91710​

But the only difference between "Modern" and "50s" is the connection of the tone circuit to the signal chain (pickup or output side of the volume pot)


Right to the point. I thought the same thing. My friend was mistaken.
Thanks for the detailed answers.

 

[Bobby Mahogany]

But the only difference between "Modern" and "50s" is the connection of the tone circuit to the signal chain (pickup or output side of the volume pot)

This:

---/\/\/\/\-----||-------v

Is electrically identical to this:

-----||-----/\/\/\/\------v

The tone cap can go between the pots, it can go to either the end terminal of the pot, the wiper terminal, or it can go between the pot terminal and the pot case ground.
It is a resistor in series with a capacitor shorting the high frequencies to ground.
You are using the same portion of the tone pot trace, so there is no difference in taper.

What a coincidence!