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I‘ve owned a couple of custom shop Gibsons and have settled for one 335 now but lately i got serious GAS for an Epi Casino! Must be the Beatles bug that finally got me..

So i was playing the a natural one in a store which was a complete piece of crap. Rattle/buzz all over the place, would NOT stay in tune. To be fair it seemed to have never seen a set up and probably came out of the chinese box and right onto the wall without any work done.

Then, yesterday, i played a sunburst one and it was a freakin great sounding guitar. i was very impressed. It still had some tuning issues tho.. But man it sounded nice and played just fine.

So there are a couple things that keep me from spending 500 bucks on a china guitar.

1. What lacquer is used on these?

2. The website says mahogany neck but the natural one didn’t look like mahogany at all.. (?)

3. Has someone put a nylon saddle bridge on there and/or a nylon nut to eliminate the tuning issues?
 

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1. Epiphone use a polyester finish on most, if not all of their guitars.

2. When they have a maple neck on a guitar, they usually mention it.

3. Tuning stability is 75% due to the nut being either badly cut or not lubricated. Other 25% to not locking strings on tuner posts. Bridge saddles come to mind if a vibrato of some sort is installed on the guitar.
 

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I want one too. I see them on Craigslist in the 350 range every few months, next time I'll grab it.
 

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1. Epiphone use a polyester finish on most, if not all of their guitars.

2. When they have a maple neck on a guitar, they usually mention it.

3. Tuning stability is 75% due to the nut being either badly cut or not lubricated. Other 25% to not locking strings on tuner posts. Bridge saddles come to mind if a vibrato of some sort is installed on the guitar.
They also have some terrible strings in China that need to come off immediately.
I've worked on some Casinos that were terrible dogs, but could all be made to play beautifully. I've not yet seen one that couldn't be made to be very good to excellent.
The last one I had hung with my '68 ES330 in every way and sounded better plugged in.
 

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Mine are US and Korean made so I don't know about the Chinese ons... I kept reading they were pretty good overall with no direct experience with them. Epiphone has an exclusive factory there, therefore they are NOT contracted all over the place -- there may be a QC issue going on -- let's hope it's infrequent.

As Chitlins says, most likely any non-dog probably can be gotten up to snuff with some work, part swapping. Get the best player husk you can and then mod, if you can't find a good one.

But I bet you'd have luck going through them until you find one you love... they are plentiful enough, just work with someone you trust, and-or order from a place with a good return policy and rinse / repeat until you uncover 'the one'....
 
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Should i go for a recent one? The sunburst i played was really good and it was brand new. If seen one in my area for a very good price but it's 2009 MIC.
 

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got pics ?
No...

I mean it didn't look like the mahogany i know from my guitars or guitars i've built. But maybe they got some very bright and untypical timbers for some of their (rather inexpensive) guitars.
 

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Not sure what you are seeing, but the recent MIC natural Casinos are spec'd as hog necks even in natural and should appear as above and like this...

SW Natural Casino
 

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err.....so a guitar made the other side of the world then traveled and stored in depots and warehouses at heavan knows how many places, Is then hung up on a wall with no attempt to set up or change strings

and it plays crap ?

dunno about you but its them damn Chinese fault
 

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I‘ve owned a couple of custom shop Gibsons and have settled for one 335 now but lately i got serious GAS for an Epi Casino! Must be the Beatles bug that finally got me..

So i was playing the a natural one in a store which was a complete piece of crap. Rattle/buzz all over the place, would NOT stay in tune. To be fair it seemed to have never seen a set up and probably came out of the chinese box and right onto the wall without any work done.

Then, yesterday, i played a sunburst one and it was a freakin great sounding guitar. i was very impressed. It still had some tuning issues tho.. But man it sounded nice and played just fine.

So there are a couple things that keep me from spending 500 bucks on a china guitar.

1. What lacquer is used on these?

2. The website says mahogany neck but the natural one didn’t look like mahogany at all.. (?)

3. Has someone put a nylon saddle bridge on there and/or a nylon nut to eliminate the tuning issues?
In a GC maybe? :cool2:

Just because a guitar is supposed to be new in a store means little. Many have been banged around by the Saturday Blitzkrieg for months.... I wound't be surprised at anything.... Parts falling off, etc... Some stores never even touch a guitar once it is hung up... They don't care of the skrangs are like pipe cleaners....

I have a natural Casino and love it....
As to your questions...

1. Don't care but I would say poly.on almost everything they build... Poly unless they say it ain't.
2. Hog.
3. Mine is fine. If yours ain't fine, let a luthier set intonation. A luthier will check the nut too....
 

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err.....so a guitar made the other side of the world then traveled and stored in depots and warehouses at heavan knows how many places, Is then hung up on a wall with no attempt to set up or change strings

and it plays crap ?

dunno about you but its them damn Chinese fault
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So i was playing the a natural one in a store which was a complete piece of crap. Rattle/buzz all over the place, would NOT stay in tune. To be fair it seemed to have never seen a set up and probably came out of the chinese box and right onto the wall without any work done.
What's wrong brother?
 

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Should i go for a recent one? The sunburst i played was really good and it was brand new. If seen one in my area for a very good price but it's 2009 MIC.
For whatever it's worth, I took in a used 2017 Casino Coupe that I fell in love with. Seems very nicely made to me, and there aren't any tuning issues that can't be tweaked with a little common knowledge. Matter of fact, it stays in tune better than my typical Gibsons (that I always seem to be tweaking). One thing I did find it needed was shimming the pickups. There just wasn't enough gas there and there's no other way to raise them up. I'd like very much to swap out the pots and wires, but they are functional enough that my lazy ass won't care until there's an issue. The tones in this thing are damn lovely.
 
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Dont expect Epiphone mahogany looking like Gibson mahogany. Completely different sources and probably also different species. Said that, wish the Gibson 335 I bought last year (and that I returned) was half as good as the Epiphone 335 dot my brother got few months ago. If it werent for the pau ferro board, which I dont like much, would have bought one. Always a russian roulette with these guitars.
 

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For whatever it's worth, I took in a used 2017 Casino Coupe that I fell in love with. Seems very nicely made to me, and there aren't any tuning issues that can't be tweaked with a little common knowledge. Matter of fact, it stays in tune better than my typical Gibsons (that I always seem to be tweaking). One thing I did find it needed was shimming the pickups. There just wasn't enough gas there and there's no other way to raise them up. I'd like very much to swap out the pots and wires, but they are functional enough that my lazy ass won't care until there's an issue. The tones in this thing are damn lovely.
Working on the electronics on these is no fun (my 335 drove me nuts more than once) but this is something i would do if i get one.

The thing with the „locked“ pickups is a real bummer because adjusting them is essential for getting the desired tone! I would probably swap them just to feel better although the one i played sounded really good. Maybe the dynamics could be improved with „better“ ones.
 




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