Can we talk about Johnny Thunders?

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Ok so Johnny Thunders was a huge influence on me. I know i know inb4 "could hardly play". He wasnt a technical shred master. He was rarely ever in tune, he slurred his chords as much as he slurred his words, he nodded in mid performance constantly....but he was consistant. He was always Johnny Thunders, he always sounded like himself, a killer songwriter hell bent on being hell bent. So lets talk about this guy because we have enough slash/jp/allman threads going on.

Any good stories from the old heads?

Did any guitars survive him? Where are they?

Was he an influence to you? How so?

Whats his impact on music?

Lets just talk about him.
 

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My favourite quote about Johnny Thunders was from a long-gone New York music paper: Originator and still practitioner of Buzzy Bee School of Guitar.

I loved the Dolls' two albums with him. I also thought The Heartbreakers Live at Max's Kansas City was better than the lone Heartbreakers studio set. Sure they (and he) were sloppy, but they were fun, at least as long as the dope didn't completely obstruct the music.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-K4FPGdXbE]The New York Dolls, "Subway Train"[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOh0_NyKwnM&feature=related]The Heartbreakers, "Can't Keep My Eyes on You"[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYzyvohCGxs]Johnny Thunders, "Pipeline"[/ame]

I also think his solo set So Alone was the best work of his career.
 

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Love thunders. One of the main reasons I decided to try my hand at guitar. He was just great. Its not my story, but an older guy at work, who also loves the dolls, saw them perform somewhere in bowery. He said him and his friends walked into the 1st bar they saw and there were the dolls about to go on. A couple songs in he looks over at Johnny and hes there trying to play with a needle in his arm. Its sad, truly is, but from what i gather that was johnny. The man who loved the blues and loved performing, but like everyone else had demons in his closet. RIP John Anthony Genzale.
 

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Sorry for bummer moment above. Heres to one of the coolest guys ever to strap on a guitar.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctg5FCS1wCM]New York Dolls - Personality Crisis - YouTube[/ame]

EDIT: Notice Peter Jordan playing bass in the background by Syl and Arthur.
 

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I think he may have created the template for every hair-metal rocker in this video, and possibly invented head banging

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9b5KKtyLiw]New York Dolls - Chatterbox - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Wow great stuff guys. I played guitar before i knew qho Johnny Thunders was but after i discovered him i saw "the path" i wanted to be on. The dirty clean. It wasnt classic rock it was bright and attacked you . It was the sound of the underbelly peppered with anthems of white trash hard luck decadance. Like pirate songs for a new era where the street is your sea. Its overloaded and i love it. They dolls were just eons ahead of their time and wouldnt start seeing what they created til it was too damn late. They never get enough credit from the masses but if everyone knew how many of their guitar heroes were influenced by Johnny theyd all tune in. A whos who in modern music worshiped at the JT temple. That sound can be heard throughout 30 years of music right into today.
 

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Idol I Love Johhny. He had the goods. Great Lp Jr tone. Great 'tood. Great voice. I know he STUNK sometimes. SO WHAT! When he was "on" he was a R+R machine. Alot of the arm-chair guitarists could learn a thing from MR.Thunders. He channeled his wise-ass into his geetar. I have a bunch of his vids and albums. He and Slyvain were GREAT on the Dolls albums. I miss R+Rollers like Johnny. No health food for Thunders:laugh2:
 

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hate the dolls
****ing glam shite
heartbreakers?now there's a rocknroll band
i see a tv yellow junior i immediately think of thunders
 

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Idol I Love Johhny. He had the goods. Great Lp Jr tone. Great 'tood. Great voice. I know he STUNK sometimes. SO WHAT! When he was "on" he was a R+R machine. Alot of the arm-chair guitarists could learn a thing from MR.Thunders. He channeled his wise-ass into his geetar. I have a bunch of his vids and albums. He and Slyvain were GREAT on the Dolls albums. I miss R+Rollers like Johnny. No health food for Thunders:laugh2:
Wow. Fezziwig you could not have summed Johnny up any better.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIRvbas9qcc]Johnny Thunders - So Alone - YouTube[/ame]

I've posted this one about a million times, but I love it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbd-BcuPvLA]NEW YORK DOLLS - Jet Boy (1973 UK TV OGWT Performance) ~ HIGH QUALITY HQ ~ - YouTube[/ame]
 

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hate the dolls
****ing glam shite
heartbreakers?now there's a rocknroll band
i see a tv yellow junior i immediately think of thunders
Slap I beg to disagree. Dolls ROCK. Heartbreakers were Rockin'+sloppy fun. I'm drooling over that JR. I can't wait to pick up my Lester Special DC!
 

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There is a Johnny Thunders thread on LPF that is pretty good reading. Several guys that were around NYC back in the day weigh in. They say everything from he had countless Juniors to he had one single Junior with a twisted neck.
 

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Fairly sober at the Roxy in LA, 1987.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRw7kfdFmkU]Johnny Thunders - Too much junkie business/ Pills - YouTube[/ame]

The crowd looks pathetic. :D
 

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JrAce has some killer vid links. Post some more Jr!

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xiWjpjRl1Q]Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers: Chinese Rocks - YouTube[/ame]
 

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The Dolls? Man, they were great. With their image and the way we play, we could sink a continent.---Joe Perry, 1977.
Joe should know, Leber & Krebs ( who managed both bands) told Aerosmith to be more like the Dolls. Aerosmith copped the Dolls style, i love both but the Dolls took over once i found them, it's a shame they never really took off, but in hindsight, now people get it.
a tragedy that the reformed Dolls are Opening for Motley Crue and Poison, hah where do you think Crue and Poison got their act from?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhwSHw5kpec]New York Dolls - Chatterbox (1973) - YouTube[/ame]
i heard a story about Johnny having Steve Stevens come up to jam and then Johnny seeing all the gear Stevens had said something like " what the hell is all that crap?" and told him to get off the stage. Could be legend could be true...
i know one thing is true. Johnny was bad ass when he was "ON" the Dolls were a catalyst for the Punk and new wave and Glam to follow.
therse a Dvd called hey, is Dee Dee home, where Dee Dee was interviewed by Lech Kowalski for a Johnny Thunders doc. a lot of stories about Dee Dee, Hell, Jerry Nolan ( good god, how underrated is Nolan?) and Johnny. the only L.A.M.F. song i don't know how to play is let go, and i think i know a few riffs from it. damn... what a shame we lost that.
 


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