Can I use 4-lead humbuckers with regular pots?

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Hi all,

As it says in the thread title, can I use 4-lead humbuckers with regular pots? Not interested in coil splitting, just want them to function as a regular 2-lead humbucker.

My bridge pup (57 classic plus) crapped out and this set of an unknown brand is for sale for $50. They're A2 magnets thus comparable to the 57 classic / classic plus. Same goes for their DC resistance.

I'd like to get a set Lollar Imperials but have to make myself earn these by practicing more.

Anyone recognise these pups?
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They will work fine, but you need to identify what wire goes where in the coils.
Being an unknown maker makes that tricky, because manufacturers are not consistent in what color codes are used for what function.

To use without the switching options, solder the "South Finish" to the "North Finish" and insulate.


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Hi all,

As it says in the thread title, can I use 4-lead humbuckers with regular pots? Not interested in coil splitting, just want them to function as a regular 2-lead humbucker.

My bridge pup (57 classic plus) crapped out and this set of an unknown brand is for sale for $50. They're A2 magnets thus comparable to the 57 classic / classic plus. Same goes for their DC resistance.

I'd like to get a set Lollar Imperials but have to make myself earn these by practicing more.

Anyone recognise these pups?
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They look like fairly generic overseas types. Artec maybe?
 

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Thanks CB91701, I didn't know that. The seller says he'll include a wiring diagram of how he used them (same as I want to use them). At $50 I'll take the chance.

He says to connect white and red, to solder the black and non-insulted wire to ground, and the green one to the lug.
 

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Thanks CB91701, I didn't know that. The seller says he'll include a wiring diagram of how he used them (same as I want to use them). At $50 I'll take the chance.

He says to connect white and red, to solder the black and non-insulted wire to ground, and the green one to the lug.
all will work fine in this configuration. those kinda look like a set in this guitar i'm working on some schmuck bought a chibson and these are in it. ??? don't know enough about the look of these to say one way or the other. he bought this less pauly and wants it modded up to specs... so i have to work it over. re-fret, new PUPS... all new hardware and even some work on the heel joint and the fretboard inlays. too much work for a 300.00 guitar from china but he wants it, he gets it.

let us know how that wiring configuration sounds.
 

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The best thing you can do is use a multimeter to determine which lead is the hot one and which 2 are coil splits and which one is ground. I've put in plenty of unknown pickups and the meter told me everything I needed to know to get them wired correctly.

Also sometimes colors change from the neck pickup to the bridge! So once again the meter is your friend. Gibson does that and I believe so do Wagners. And I've had Japanese pickups that did as well.
 

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Yes, absolutely. I use various wiring schemes diagrammed on the Seymour Duncan website. They've got the best library of ways to wire up a guitar that I am aware of.
 

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Green is grounded with the bare wire, tape the ends of the white and red, Black is hot.
 

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Green is grounded with the bare wire, tape the ends of the white and red, Black is hot.
You recognize the manufacturer?
The seller instructed OP to wire it differently.
It's not a Duncan.
 

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Typical Asian pickups. If you'll notice, the red and white ARE soldered together. Green or black to ground, won't make a difference UNLESS he is wiring it with another brand of pickup.
 

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Thanks for the multimeter tip, i was wondering about that.

Seller was kind enough to send me this diagram.
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When you figure out the color codes two wires will be the "series link" solder them together then cover with shrink tube or tape you won't be using them. (These are commonly used for coil splitting)

Negative and bare lead solders to the back of the volume pot.

Positive lead solders to volume pot lug on left.
 

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Be nice if there was a standard. SD and DiMarzio use different color hots - made my first DiMarzio installation more difficult than it needed to be. In the end - check the correct diagram.
 

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Be nice if there was a standard. SD and DiMarzio use different color hots - made my first DiMarzio installation more difficult than it needed to be. In the end - check the correct diagram.
Checking with a multimeter trumps all diagrams. When in doubt, whip out the meter.
 

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Thanks CB91701, I didn't know that. The seller says he'll include a wiring diagram of how he used them (same as I want to use them). At $50 I'll take the chance.

He says to connect white and red, to solder the black and non-insulted wire to ground, and the green one to the lug.
Sounds accurate. That’s exactly how I’d wire my JB if I didn’t want it split, so these apparently follow the Duncan wiring protocol.
 

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The pickup ended up sounding... well... like a run of the mill humbucker. The 57 classic in the neck position sounds better but for $22 I'm happy. They pair nicely in terms of output / volume.
 

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It took me 5 days before noticing I installed the pickup 180 degrees off, with the slotted pole pieces towards the neck and the flat pole pieces towards the bridge. Oh well, don't suppose it matters much.

After playing around with adjusting the pickup height I'm actually impressed how well it sounds compared to the 57 classic plus that was there before. That had a harshness I never could get rid of with the controls or the eq. Go figure.
 


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