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From my son's visit last month:

...SNIP...

Mothballed? Sure. Forgotten? Not on your life.


Nothing says STFU like throwing a volkswagon 25mi through the air and making a football stadium when it hits.......

Dumb move to mothball 'em in my opinion.... Who in their right mind would take a boston whaler and make a run at Big Mo... Somehow the sight of a 16in gun turrent turning toward you might be a bit intimidating....

Park one 12.5mi off Somalia.... no mo pirate problemos...
 

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Nothing says STFU like throwing a volkswagon 25mi through the air and making a football stadium when it hits.......

Dumb move to mothball 'em in my opinion.... Who in their right mind would take a boston whaler and make a run at Big Mo... Somehow the sight of a 16in gun turrent turning toward you might be a bit intimidating....

Park one 12.5mi off Somalia.... no mo pirate problemos...
Yeah I think so too. I think a lot of those kinds of decisions are driven by manufacturers of weapons and weapons systems. How you gonna sell new sh!t if the old stuff is still in service working fine? And if you don't sell new stuff, how do you justify money spent on R&D? A vicious cycle. Literally.
 

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Yeah I think so too. I think a lot of those kinds of decisions are driven by manufacturers of weapons and weapons systems. How you gonna sell new sh!t if the old stuff is still in service working fine? And if you don't sell new stuff, how do you justify money spent on R&D? A vicious cycle. Literally.


Yep... And you don't have to reboot Mo... :)
 

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Nothing says STFU like throwing a volkswagon 25mi through the air and making a football stadium when it hits.......

Dumb move to mothball 'em in my opinion.... Who in their right mind would take a boston whaler and make a run at Big Mo... Somehow the sight of a 16in gun turrent turning toward you might be a bit intimidating....

Park one 12.5mi off Somalia.... no mo pirate problemos...

Well, they're mighty expensive to run, and their mission has been taken up by other vessels and technologies. But there has always been, to my mind, a symbolism to the dreadnoughts of yore that is more than just combat capability. If you can find it, get Battleship Sailor, from Ted Mason. He was aboard USS California from 1940-41, including surviving Pearl Harbor in it. The picture he presents, of the peacetime brownshoe Navy, is something.

Visiting USS Texas, and clambering through the spaces, brought to life the camaraderie and spit-and-polish and sheer excitement mixed with horror that those boys must have felt at one time or another, going on liberty or standing inspection or flinging steel at each other across troubled waters.
 

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Yeah I think so too. I think a lot of those kinds of decisions are driven by manufacturers of weapons and weapons systems. How you gonna sell new sh!t if the old stuff is still in service working fine? And if you don't sell new stuff, how do you justify money spent on R&D? A vicious cycle. Literally.

Sometimes the old programs aren't allowed to die, even when the military says "No thanks". Something about pork...

Army Says No to More Tanks, But Congress Insists | Military.com
 

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Sometimes the old programs aren't allowed to die, even when the military says "No thanks". Something about pork...

Army Says No to More Tanks, But Congress Insists | Military.com
Dwight warned us about all this. It's a monolith. How do you redirect something with so much momentum? There has got to be a more useful application of time, money, energy, and resources.

But, how do you avoid mothballing a plant in the interim, until a new version of the Abrams is ready to build?
 

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Nothing says STFU like throwing a volkswagon 25mi through the air and making a football stadium when it hits.......

Dumb move to mothball 'em in my opinion.... Who in their right mind would take a boston whaler and make a run at Big Mo... Somehow the sight of a 16in gun turrent turning toward you might be a bit intimidating....

Park one 12.5mi off Somalia.... no mo pirate problemos...

I guess you guys are getting sick of my dad stories . . . I'm really going to try to make this the last one.

When he went in the navy it was a battleship (BB) navy, he was on destroyers (DD), which screened them . . . etc, etc

So when he came home to NYC after 4 years, he went and stayed with his Aunt in the Bronx. Maggie was from Ireland . . .

She asked him some questions about the navy and such . . .

When he told her a BB could hurl a projectile nearly 25 (?) miles, she said he had been dreaming, she did not believe it.

He had an interesting life, at least I thought so, he came from a BB navy, and even carrier pigeons, to a carrier navy, then on to a nuclear navy.

He was history . . . . well, to me anyway .. . .

okay, that's it. Over and out!!!
 

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Well, they're mighty expensive to run, and their mission has been taken up by other vessels and technologies. But there has always been, to my mind, a symbolism to the dreadnoughts of yore that is more than just combat capability. If you can find it, get Battleship Sailor, from Ted Mason. He was aboard USS California from 1940-41, including surviving Pearl Harbor in it. The picture he presents, of the peacetime brownshoe Navy, is something.

Visiting USS Texas, and clambering through the spaces, brought to life the camaraderie and spit-and-polish and sheer excitement mixed with horror that those boys must have felt at one time or another, going on liberty or standing inspection or flinging steel at each other across troubled waters.

Thump, thanks!

You just reminded me . . . I've got a slew of those old Liberty passes here, they are all from the old pre-war BBs.

If you were on a DD you had to get your pass through the BB your squadron was attached to . . . at least I think that's how it worked.

I've got stuff from Cheefoo, China . . the navy's main liberty port . . invitations to varied fun places . . .

I really need to get off my lazy butt and post this stuff . . . :laugh2:
 

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Those tin-can sailors had some serious guts.

Yeah, they were tough . . .

You know what always bugged me?

Reading about so and so action, they'll mention, say, the Indianapolis did such and such, and then only say "... and along with six destroyers . . "

Rarely a mention of the DDs names . . .

I've got some stuff from the Indianapolis too . . .

There was a pretty severe incident . . . I think it was called Task Force Taffy?
Well, that was my dad's old squadron but by then he was on North Atlantic "Neutrality" Patrol. He knew most all of those guys on those DDs.

He used to always tell me: "You don't know how lucky you are Jim to be able to live like you do."

He was right, I never really thought about it at all. My main interest was having fun. It wasn't until he was gone that I started thinking and snooping into history books.

That's all . . ..
 

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this is a cool song about Battleships
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KecIdlEAKhU]SINK THE BISMARCK ~ sung by Johnny Horton - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Yeah, they were tough . . .

You know what always bugged me?

Reading about so and so action, they'll mention, say, the Indianapolis did such and such, and then only say "... and along with six destroyers . . "

Rarely a mention of the DDs names . . .

I've got some stuff from the Indianapolis too . . .

There was a pretty severe incident . . . I think it was called Task Force Taffy?
Well, that was my dad's old squadron but by then he was on North Atlantic "Neutrality" Patrol. He knew most all of those guys on those DDs.

He used to always tell me: "You don't know how lucky you are Jim to be able to live like you do."

He was right, I never really thought about it at all. My main interest was having fun. It wasn't until he was gone that I started thinking and snooping into history books.

That's all . . ..

"Taffy" was a term that could refer to any Task Force (taken from saying, "TF58" and so on). The most famous was Taffys One through Four, which fought in the Battle of Samar, part of the larger Battle of Leyte Gulf. The destroyers, and destroyer escorts, fought an amazingly one-sided battle, charging a Japanese battle line mounting 9-18" guns, 8-16" guns, and 16-14" guns. The sacrifices made by the destroyermen probably prevented the wholesale mutilation of the carriers they were protecting, and perhaps saved the landing beaches in Leyte.

If you want to read up on that action (which is in my opinion the US Navy's finest hour, bar none), check out Last Stand of the Tin-Can Sailors, by James Hornfischer. It's by turns stirring and tragic, but you will learn something about your father's Navy, no doubt.
 

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"Taffy" was a term that could refer to any Task Force (taken from saying, "TF58" and so on). The most famous was Taffys One through Four, which fought in the Battle of Samar, part of the larger Battle of Leyte Gulf. The destroyers, and destroyer escorts, fought an amazingly one-sided battle, charging a Japanese battle line mounting 9-18" guns, 8-16" guns, and 16-14" guns. The sacrifices made by the destroyermen probably prevented the wholesale mutilation of the carriers they were protecting, and perhaps saved the landing beaches in Leyte.

If you want to read up on that action (which is in my opinion the US Navy's finest hour, bar none), check out Last Stand of the Tin-Can Sailors, by James Hornfischer. It's by turns stirring and tragic, but you will learn something about your father's Navy, no doubt.

The guy who wrote "Sand Pebbles" was in my dad's squadron on the Yangtze River . . . he later retired as a CWO and went on to teach English (?) after the war. I think he was on the Stewart, DD-224 (?) all these details escape me right now . . . tonight, I shall recall!!

Just a butt load of history from those old guys . . .

Thump, you got my grey matter bubbling!!!!

Thanks!!!
 

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The guy who wrote "Sand Pebbles" was in my dad's squadron on the Yangtze River . . . he later retired as a CWO and went on to teach English (?) after the war. I think he was on the Stewart, DD-224 (?) all these details escape me right now . . . tonight, I shall recall!!

Just a butt load of history from those old guys . . .

Thump, you got my grey matter bubbling!!!!

Thanks!!!

No sweat, bud.

I haven't read the book, but I love that movie ... it's one of my all-time favorites.
 

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The guy who wrote "Sand Pebbles" was in my dad's squadron on the Yangtze River . . . he later retired as a CWO and went on to teach English (?) after the war. I think he was on the Stewart, DD-224 (?) all these details escape me right now . . . tonight, I shall recall!!

Just a butt load of history from those old guys . . .

Thump, you got my grey matter bubbling!!!!

Thanks!!!

PS: I found where my paraphrase came from . . .

PM me for deetz
 

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Well, they're mighty expensive to run, and their mission has been taken up by other vessels and technologies. But there has always been, to my mind, a symbolism to the dreadnoughts of yore that is more than just combat capability. If you can find it, get Battleship Sailor, from Ted Mason. He was aboard USS California from 1940-41, including surviving Pearl Harbor in it. The picture he presents, of the peacetime brownshoe Navy, is something.

Visiting USS Texas, and clambering through the spaces, brought to life the camaraderie and spit-and-polish and sheer excitement mixed with horror that those boys must have felt at one time or another, going on liberty or standing inspection or flinging steel at each other across troubled waters.


True on the expense, Thump. I've gone through the Alabama... However, if history has taught us, one thing seems to be that when you have all kinds of super high technology at your disposal, someone with a low tech approach will hand you your ass in a hat. We have missiles from hell, aircraft from hell invisible to radar and can stop and hide in a cloud, all kinds of EW stuff that can heat a can of Beanie Weenie up at 1000 meters, a huge radar invisible bomber, a sling wing bomber that can fly NOE so low you can't hear it coming and won't hear it going because you're dead, and still we had the side blown out of a ship in harbor by a damn boston whaler... Add to that the fact that ships are still being hijacked at sea by a bunch of ignorant pirates that the highest technologies they possess are boat motors, old soviet rpgs, and cheap ass Kalashnikov copies....
 

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No sweat, bud.

I haven't read the book, but I love that movie ... it's one of my all-time favorites.

I'll never forget the day we went to see that movie . . .

I had to go to NOB and get a new ID card, dad says, "Hey, let's catch a movie at the Air Station . ." I've got my ID card right here: "26 Jun 68"

Strange thing is this . . . exactly one year later we were putting him in Arlington, 26 Jun 69.

Sand Pebbles was playing . . .

When we were leaving I asked him if the movie was pretty accurate.

He said: "Jim, I don't know who wrote that movie but whoever it was had to have been there. There's too many details that only a China sailor would know."

Then he qualifies that with this: "Well, there was one point in the movie that did bother me . . we never saw any women that looked like her." We both busted out laughing . .. He was talking about Candice Bergen.
 

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No sweat, bud.

I haven't read the book, but I love that movie ... it's one of my all-time favorites.

The movie is lame compared to the book . . . .

Later we got the book . . .. I've still got it. One of my favorites.

reading that book to me was almost exactly like living in my house, all that neat navy slang, lingo, all of it , that is the stuff I grew up with. All our family friends, all those guys talked just like that.

To this very day I still use navy lingo out of habit and people will ask what I mean . . . old dogs????
 

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