Bursts Weight (1958-1960)

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my response was definitely snarky, not really my intention. You've clearly done some research, it was more directed at, why? Any evidence that it makes a difference, or just that you love bursts? I've had a few and haven't found many consistencies other than i get older and my tastes change, so judging one is hard because I change more than said guitar.
My little research was triggered from the light weights that are associated with the reissues. I wanted to know if the old ones were really light. My point is they were not, they had a variation but they were around the earthly weights we see today of a Les Paul Traditional let’s say (the non weight-relief).
 

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Those years weight statistics are interesting to me, but I'd be choosing one of that era and one of today's for it's tone and how does its wood add or subtract from that, primarily. YMMV.


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My post 2016 reissues are all around 8lb 12oz, my one 2003 weighs 9lb 4oz. Goldtop R6.
 

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You are right, @ToneDigger , and in fact the small sample size in BOTB is actually misleading in the other direction. Once you take into account the many instruments not listed on page 220 of BOTB, the average weights are actually higher. The world's most established Burst collectors and dealers such as Tom Wittrock, Albert Molinaro and Vic DaPra have all said on more than one occasion that the average weight of a 1959 Les Paul is around 9 pounds, possibly even a little higher.

It's just like the tops. "This one has a very vintage-looking top," is a meaningless statement. Look on Burst Serial at all the insanely flamey vintage tops, as well as the plain ones and everything in between. Everyone wants their reissue to be the most vintage accurate, and will shape their perception of just what that is accordingly.
 

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to go off topic a touch, that 'vintage looking top' is an interesting one, I see the occasional guitar for sale that has a top that I think is 'vintage' it's not overly flashy with the figuring, one piece maybe at a slight angle, there is usually a prominent 'contour line on a map' type of pattern as well. Something about the overall impression just looks vintage. One of mine is mildly like that, the others are very figured, but not in the same style as some of those in the book.
 

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I have 2 2018 ROs and they both are average which is where I like to be. I imagine the weight and mass is what gives them their great sound and sustain.
 

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At my advanced age , LOL, seriously...weight is the first thing for me . I don't like the sound of hollowed out LP s to make em light . Then i reject them by tone. I play a early early 68 custom that weights 9lbs 7.5 oz it has full 59 sized neck. I consider it about a pound too heavy for my ideal sweet spot . For post 1960 its one of the lighter one and its a custom too.
 

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I searched if the topic already existed but couldn't find one, so i made a statistics for the average weights for Gibson Les Pausl in the years 1958-1960 (the Burst years), and came with these numbers:

1958 - average weight: 4.148 Kg = 9.144 lbs
1959 - average weight: 4.004 Kg = 8.828 lbs
1960 - average weight: 3.982 Kg = 8.778 lbs

Kglbs
Average weight 58-604.0218.864
Max. weight 58-604.4119.724
Min. weight 58-603.6748.099

Mind it when you talk weight numbers in reissues :)
I searched if the topic already existed but couldn't find one, so i made a statistics for the average weights for Gibson Les Pausl in the years 1958-1960 (the Burst years), and came with these numbers:

1958 - average weight: 4.148 Kg = 9.144 lbs
1959 - average weight: 4.004 Kg = 8.828 lbs
1960 - average weight: 3.982 Kg = 8.778 lbs

Kglbs
Average weight 58-604.0218.864
Max. weight 58-604.4119.724
Min. weight 58-603.6748.099

Mind it when you talk weight numbers in reissues :)
Well mine is 4.152kg, so bang on the average but for three grams
 

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The lightest I've seen is below 8lbs. 7lbs 15oz.
I also know of one that is 8lb even.
 

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Well, I do know that my '20 V1 R0 is exactly the same weight as the average, so that sits well with me. :hmm:
Is it chambered? Tone chambers? Holy Grail? Marketing hype to use heavier wood.

Cheers Peter.
 

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Not a burst but my 1954 GT weighs in at 7#15oz. It’s a joy to play and sounds wonderful!
 

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Even if BOTB documented 150 Bursts, which I doubt, I think it's less than that, that wouldn't account for even 10% of the Bursts that were made, which is not a great template/basis to get averages from.
 

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Is it chambered? Tone chambers? Holy Grail? Marketing hype to use heavier wood.

Cheers Peter.
Huh? The average weight according to the OP was 8.77 pounds. You don’t need to chamber a reissue to get that weight.

Not really sure what the rest of your comment is supposed to mean. If you’d care to elaborate, please do. Thanks. :)
 

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in early 1970 I owned a 1960 standard, it weighed right at 8 1/2 if memory serves me. I also remember talking to REN Wall when I visited Heritage. He said in the 50’s there was no rhyme or reason to weight or neck size as everything was made by hand and the wood was just grabbed wherever they could get it cheapest And best quality. I for one have never heard of a 10lb plus except in the 70’s but then again what the heck do I know. I did own a Heritage H150 that weighed 13 lbs
 

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Interesting Information.I was not aware of such variation in the known original samples.

My ’19 R9 is at 8.41 lbs, which “tipped the scales” in my decision to sell my 10.7 lbs ‘98 LP Classic and lay out the “heavy” cash for the CS model.
 

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Huh? The average weight according to the OP was 8.77 pounds. You don’t need to chamber a reissue to get that weight.

Not really sure what the rest of your comment is supposed to mean. If you’d care to elaborate, please do. Thanks. :)

I wasn't sure whether the RIs were utilizing chambering. I suspect not but you never know. Over the years Gibson has come out with all kinds of chambering techniques and added fancy names to them. IMO to up sale something that actually allows Gibson to use heavier wood. I guess it may be a bit cynical. I did a few tests with different chambering techniques to see how much weight could be removed or how heavy a blank could be used to get to a similar weight.

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Cheers Peter.
 

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I wasn't sure whether the RIs were utilizing chambering. I suspect not but you never know. Over the years Gibson has come out with all kinds of chambering techniques and added fancy names to them. IMO to up sale something that actually allows Gibson to use heavier wood. I guess it may be a bit cynical. I did a few tests with different chambering techniques to see how much weight could be removed or how heavy a blank could be used to get to a similar weight.

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Cheers Peter.

Ohhh, ok. Gotcha. No, the reissues aren't chambered. Just lighter weight wood that's typically fairly resonant, to boot.
 

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in early 1970 I owned a 1960 standard, it weighed right at 8 1/2 if memory serves me. I also remember talking to REN Wall when I visited Heritage. He said in the 50’s there was no rhyme or reason to weight or neck size as everything was made by hand and the wood was just grabbed wherever they could get it cheapest And best quality. I for one have never heard of a 10lb plus except in the 70’s but then again what the heck do I know. I did own a Heritage H150 that weighed 13 lbs
This 58 GT weighs 10 lbs 2 oz.
The artwork on the case is appropriate.
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