Borrowed a Friend's Guitar: First Time Playing With P90s Today (w/ Pics)

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Not sure if the difference is due to different pickup architecture or what but bends are righteous!
 

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The 330 is the best guitar Gibson makes, don’t @ Me

Only like half joking.

As has been said it’s a shame a lot of players don’t have much experience with P90s, not only are Gibson P90s pretty darned good compared with their humbuckers, the tone people chase is all too often a P90 they just don’t know it yet. Now spread the good word!
It is crazy that it's taken this long to play a P90s guitar. I've always dismissed them without a second thought. I blame @efstop, @Moni, and @CerebralGasket for putting me down this path with all their badass guitars. lol It's been exciting looking into a whole new realm of guitars that I haven't given much thought to before.

I don’t want to add to the confusion but to my ears, dog eared P90’s have an extra edge over soap bars..and...Bareknuckle Nantucket’s are hard to beat
Tell me you're joking about the dog ears and soap bar p'ups, because then I'll have so many more questions that'll annoy everyone. lol

Funny that you should mention Nantuckets. I tried them in an SG Std a few days ago when I went to pick up this guitar at my buddy's place. While I didn't bond well with the tone, I don't blame the pickups. I was playing through an amp and pedal setup that wasn't set to my taste at all. I'll have to borrow that guitar next and try it out through my rig.
 
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The biggest difference to me with a P90 Lester is on bends. (My opinion).....

There is a fat smoothness on P90 bends that is magical to me....

Although I do not have a P90 Lester at the moment, I played a bud's 57 P90 Goldie a bunch of times along side other Lesters and that difference stuck out in my mind....

Love me some P90 tones out of my Casino too....

Just can't justify adding another Lester.....
That's interesting. I'll have to keep my ears open to that. I wonder if that applies for you in a P90 loaded SG.
 

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It is crazy that it's taken this long to play a P90s guitar. I've always dismissed them without a second thought. I blame @efstop, @Moni, and @CerebralGasket for putting me down this path with all their badass guitars. lol I'm totally kidding. It's been exciting looking into a whole new realm of guitars that I haven't given much thought to before.
You're not alone!

That sunburst is my first EVER P-90 guitar. Had no interest in them before..

I blame it on my wife...

We went to a concert a couple years ago and my wife, who is not at all guitar savvy turns to me and asks what he is playing up there....

For the love of God, I couldn't come up with an answer for a couple minutes from being speechless..

It was some custom brand , but the pickups were P-90's, so I told her that.

Why?

Because I like the sound of them, she says....

So I took that as permission to get a P-90 guitar and give it a whirl...

 

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You're not alone!

That sunburst is my first EVER P-90 guitar. Had no interest in them before..

I blame it on my wife...

We went to a concert a couple years ago and my wife, who is not at all guitar savvy turns to me and asks what he is playing up there....

For the love of God, I couldn't come up with an answer for a couple minutes from being speechless..

It was some custom brand , but the pickups were P-90's, so I told her that.

Why?

Because I like the sound of them, she says....

So I took that as permission to get a P-90 guitar and give it a whirl...
Well sheeiiiiiiiiiiit... if the wife set it up that way, then it would be certified insanity not to take her up on her "permission!" lol Seems like a very fortunate accident to "stumble" upon your awesome P90 LP!
 

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Seems like a very fortunate accident to "stumble" upon your awesome P90 LP!
It was a lot of hard work and disappointment, I can tell you!

I documented it in the Cupcake thread as it was happening.

Over the course of several weeks of looking and not finding anything the moment came and I pounced...

Got beat at the bell on Fleabay and lost a beautiful red Les Paul Gem series..



Next week I found a gold top Trad (Classic?).. one owner, was selling it pretty cheap.

Around 750..

By the time I cleared it with my wife on the phone, it was gone right out from under me! Strike two!

I spent the weekend sifting through Reverb and Ebay when finally on page 50 or something on Reverb I found that one!

LOL!!! I got this off an image search!! I'm famous, Amos! :laugh2:
 

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I was just watching The Who doing Quick One because of this thread.

Then I went and dug up my old favorite SG Classic demos.




And the one that sent me down the SG/P-90 rabbit hole.

 

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I was just watching The Who doing Quick One because of this thread.

Then I went and dug up my old favorite SG Classic demos.




And the one that sent me down the SG/P-90 rabbit hole.

LOVE the sock foot bopping along!!!!!! :laugh2:

I'm a barefoot player too! Mostly for the Helix, makes it easier to hit the buttons.

Can't stand shoes in general...

Nice playing!

From a recent event! Got me a little rug to stand on..:rofl:

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I don’t want to add to the confusion but to my ears, dog eared P90’s have an extra edge over soap bars.
How so?
I have both and like them equally.
Dog Ear and Soap Bar are just pickup covers.
It's the same pickup design under the cover.
Different baseplate.

When comparing, are you using pots and caps that MEASURE the exact same value with each pickup being compared? Are the pickup heights adjusted the same? Are the strings the same gauge and new?

 

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2004 and 2006 SG Classics
Neck: Stock Gibson P-90
Bridge: Kinman P-90 Hx (zero-hum)

2017 '58 Reissue Les Paul Jr DC
Bridge: Fralin Hum-Cancelling P-90



I use the bridge pickup for hi gain without 60 cycle hum and the neck pickup for cleans.
 

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I chased humbucker tone for entirely too long before discovering that I'm after P90 tone.

To my ear, there is more definition and clarity string to string. Additionally they seem brighter, and don't lose that brightness when rolling off the volume. If anything, they seem to brighten up. Everyone's experience is different; to me P90s also feel more touch sensitive.
I totally get that. I like P90s better than humbuckers, too!

I chased humbucker tone for entirely too long, then chased P90 tone, before discovering that I'm after Gretsch Filter'tron tone! Much more clarity, definition, articulate overtones, and sparkle.

I made it happen yesterday!



Aside from a pair of Gibson Classic '57s in one of my Teles (with a 1M Volume pot and No-Load tone pot - which really opens up humbucker PAF-style pickups) I'm done with 'buckers.
 

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I find the variations to all sound the same, too. I have dog ears, soapbars, and even pickguard mounted variations. The bobbins are the same, only the mounting is different.

Or maybe I am wrong! :laugh2:

But I don't find one better than the other. The SG and the Firebird sound a lot! alike, even though they are wired differently. I thought the SG and the LP sounded alike until I recorded them back to back. And the 330 sounds like P-90's in a hollow body with a deep set neck. :lol:

The really big difference to me is that the guitars are each so very different.

And if I buy a slab body LP Special, will it sound like my maple capped Les Paul or will it sound like my slab SG or something different altogether? :hmm:
 

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I find the variations to all sound the same, too. I have dog ears, soapbars, and even pickguard mounted variations. The bobbins are the same, only the mounting is different.

Or maybe I am wrong! :laugh2:

But I don't find one better than the other. The SG and the Firebird sound a lot! alike, even though they are wired differently. I thought the SG and the LP sounded alike until I recorded them back to back. And the 330 sounds like P-90's in a hollow body with a deep set neck. :lol:

The really big difference to me is that the guitars are each so very different.

And if I buy a slab body LP Special, will it sound like my maple capped Les Paul or will it sound like my slab SG or something different altogether? :hmm:
Yeah... it's amazing how much each guitar influences what a particular pickup will sound like. I moved a Tele neck pickup around among three different Teles and it sounded dramatically different in each guitar I put it in. Electronics notwithstanding.
 

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And if I buy a slab body LP Special, will it sound like my maple capped Les Paul or will it sound like my slab SG or something different altogether? :hmm:
An old bandmate had an old flat slab hog Lester with P90s in it.... Ugly as hell brown... Just plain UUUUUGLY with black covers.... One of the best sounding Lesters I've heard. It could get Spanky as hell. (I LOVE bright spanky Lesters that you can get some of that 'round' chime out of)...

Mate would bear down on it through one of his Marshall stacks and it gave me chill bumps, especially on bends as I've said before upstream.... Ugly as hell but I would have bought it in a flash it sounded so good.... Marshall could be screaming but you never lost the definition of the guitar....bite like a pissed off badger...and could get smooth as whale oil with a turn of the knob....

He would have the Marshall cranked like hell with the gtr V on 1.5 to 2 for rhythm, higher for solos but not maxed... He could make it bite but still have the sweddy ballz on steroids....
 

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He had 35 - 40 guitars but that was one of the top tiers in feel/tone.

Top was a tie between a plain jane Westbury hog SG kinda sorta type (Uncle Mat guitar -Japan), all stock, and other was one of the first Hamer Chaparrals in Pepto.... That Ugly Lester was second... My Lesters just didn't bite like that ugly one. Mine were killer but the bite of his sat just at the right place in the spectrum.... Cuts Like a Knife was probably about that guitar... ;)
 




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