Bond is still Bond, but he's not "007" anymore

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Bond has to have a penis and testosterone coursing through his veins. It is crucial to the character. If you want a woman spy franchise, start one. I suspect this will be a dud. There will be a multi-year lull and eventually there will be another male Bond.
 

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When Q gives the new 007 the proton pack and neutrona wand, is there going to be a warning about crossing the streams?
 

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I stopped watching Bond films after I saw Pierce Brosnan drive a motorcycle off a cliff and flew like a bird into the cockpit of a plane.:wave:
 

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The only way this could be any more fucking stupidly politically correct would be if the woman portraying the iconic character (and ruining the role for all time forward) was really previously a man, who went through transgender surgery, only to realize that she/he/it missed being a man.
 

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I've wished that Gerard Butler would be 'retired' Bond available when needed and eventually as a badass M.
 

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It's absolutely essential to the character of James Bond 007 (insperable, in my book) that he is an Englishman. An ENGLISH MAN (yes, even though they gave him some Scottish, later, to justify Connery). This is just as nuts, and stupid, as remaking Seven Samurai with white women, or Downton Abbey as a tale of black aristocrats around WWI.

Next up: the new green Bond trades in her Aston Martin for a Prius. And doesn't use an icky, dangerous Walther or Beretta.
 

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Bond has to have a penis and testosterone coursing through his veins. It is crucial to the character. If you want a woman spy franchise, start one. I suspect this will be a dud. There will be a multi-year lull and eventually there will be another male Bond.
Shoot, it's gonna be just another Cleopatra Jones-- but this time the character will be identified as James Bond somehow, and the production values will be sky-high when compared to the Blaxploitation shit churned out in the early Seventies.

It's not as though the thing with a black female super spy hasn't been done before, then. So it's just a troll job to bring in $$$. People are making a big noise about it, curiosity will develop-- but it could easily bomb, same as Ghostbusters 2016 bombed. It's one hell of a gamble.

The other day, I saw that the studio is putting together a Ghostbusters III movie that totally ignores the all-female reboot of 2016. Some portions of the press appear to be trying to stir up the resentment of feminists about it, but so far there doesn't seem to be some major backlash developing, the way there was an enormous (and ridiculous) backlash concerning Ghostbusters 2016.

Of course, the fact that the Ghostbusterettes movie did pretty much suck also contributed to its spectacular failure. People are so easily trolled these days... like I said: this shit with the B/F Bond could turn into a real bomb.

The choice of Lashana Lynch was probably the best part of the whole idea. Now let's see if they can pull it off.

Movies in general seem to be a huge fiscal gamble, with hundreds of millions of dollars in losses at stake when somebody cranks out something that really sucks or is very poorly received (or both).

And they wonder why the studios go with hackneyed plots and stale, repetitive characters, serial franchises, and all the rest of the tired shit they're spewing these days.

--R
 

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the guy from The Dark Tower could've been an interesting Bond 007... Especially if James Bond 007 is presented as a codename given to the agent assigned the 007 number.

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but whatever,.. "Diversity". I think it's stupid and pandering to the snowflake generation, who don't care about these old movies and characters anyway.
 

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It is just a movie. Why get wound up about a movie....and a movie series that was outdated conceptually 30-40 years ago. And a concept that has been stretched far beyond the original books. Entertaining brain trash. Not much else.
 

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It's a red herring. They'e just using strong-smelling smoked fish to divert the hounds from chasing the hare.
 

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It is just a movie. Why get wound up about a movie....and a movie series that was outdated conceptually 30-40 years ago. And a concept that has been stretched far beyond the original books. Entertaining brain trash. Not much else.
But, you miss the point of the outrage.... it's NOT about the film. It's about the incessant need to force (the illusion of) inclusion into every nook & cranny of our society, whether it makes sense, or not.
 

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But, you miss the point of the outrage.... it's NOT about the film. It's about the incessant need to force (the illusion of) inclusion into every nook & cranny of our society, whether it makes sense, or not.
Who cares... it is a silly stupid movie with an outdated concept to which they are doing more stupid shit to make it relevant. Enraged? Dont go. Vote your $.
Some "creative" idiot at some meeting said--, lets make him a her, Jane Bond. And a group of yes men said ya ya...Jane Bond....good idea. Ain't much more to it than that. The idea will be outdated in 20 yrs like movies from the 60s about turning on and tuning out. Ever watched GI Jane...same stupidity.
Just a bunch of dweebs trying to get your money with a "concept". And a bunch of marketing types spinning the relevance and meaning of all this stupidity so folks think they need to go. Meh
 
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I stopped watching Bond films after I saw Pierce Brosnan drive a motorcycle off a cliff and flew like a bird into the cockpit of a plane.:wave:
Man do remember that one, one of the most shameless stunts in the franchises or any movie in history. Just total hogwash, so much so that Roger Moore's Bond is giggling to this day. How do you jump off a cliff and catch up to a prop powered plane? With that in mind, you should check out Craig's Casino Royal, and his other Bond outings, you'll be pleasantly surprised by how good they are, especially in comparison to the magic flying scene you mentioned.

Check this scene out, no green screen, they are really up there, it's not CGI trickery or green screen magic, more like old school stunt work. It's still over the top Bond fantasy stuff, but within the world of Bond it's a cut above. I get vertigo watching it, but then again as I get older I can get vertigo looking into the garbage can if it's empty.


Got to be honest, if I were Bond I'd have just waited for him to come back down, DUH!
 
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Who cares... it is a silly stupid movie with an outdated concept that they are doing more stupid shit to make it relevant. Enraged? Dont go. Vote your $.
Some "creative" idiot at some meeting said--, lets make him a she, Jane Bond. And a group of yes men said ya ya...Jane Bond....good idea. Ain't much more to it than that. The idea will be outdated in 20 yrs like movies from the 60s about turning on and tuning out. Ever watched GI Jane...same stupidity.
Just a bunch of dweebs trying to get your money with a "concept"
It has nothing to do with the film. I could care less who is the next 007. It's entirely about our new societal need to force square pegs into every round hole we can find.
 

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Man do remember that one, one of the most shameless stunts in the franchises or any movie in history. Just total hogwash, so much so that Roger Moore's Bond is giggling to this day. How do you jump off a cliff and catch up to a prop powered plane? With that in mind, you should check out Craig's Casino Royal, and his other Bond outings, you'll be pleasantly surprised by how good they are, especially in comparison to the magic flying scene you mentioned.

Check this scene out, no green screen, they are really up there, it's not CGI trickery or green screen magic, more like old school stunt work. It's still over the top Bond fantasy stuff, but within the world of Bond it's a cut above, no pun intended.


Got to be honest, if I were Bond I'd have just waited for him to come back down, DUH!
At 1:15 the bad guys stop shooting at Bond.:shock:

 

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Shoot, it's gonna be just another Cleopatra Jones-- but this time the character will be identified as James Bond somehow, and the production values will be sky-high when compared to the Blaxploitation shit churned out in the early Seventies.

It's not as though the thing with a black female super spy hasn't been done before, then. So it's just a troll job to bring in $$$. People are making a big noise about it, curiosity will develop-- but it could easily bomb, same as Ghostbusters 2016 bombed. It's one hell of a gamble.

The other day, I saw that the studio is putting together a Ghostbusters III movie that totally ignores the all-female reboot of 2016. Some portions of the press appear to be trying to stir up the resentment of feminists about it, but so far there doesn't seem to be some major backlash developing, the way there was an enormous (and ridiculous) backlash concerning Ghostbusters 2016.

Of course, the fact that the Ghostbusterettes movie did pretty much suck also contributed to its spectacular failure. People are so easily trolled these days... like I said: this shit with the B/F Bond could turn into a real bomb.

The choice of Lashana Lynch was probably the best part of the whole idea. Now let's see if they can pull it off.

Movies in general seem to be a huge fiscal gamble, with hundreds of millions of dollars in losses at stake when somebody cranks out something that really sucks or is very poorly received (or both).

And they wonder why the studios go with hackneyed plots and stale, repetitive characters, serial franchises, and all the rest of the tired shit they're spewing these days.

--R
When you are the big stack bully (as the Bond franchise is), you don't need to gamble the whole franchise. There have been several Bond films that faltered at the box office (Die Another Day, License to Kill, The Living Daylights), however loyalty of the audience pulled them through in the long run. The prospective audience was still waiting for more sophomoric, heterosexual high jinks wrapped up in a bombastic spy thriller. Remove the testosterone, remove the special sauce. IMO.
 




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