Best strap locks without drilling?

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i put Schallers on my 08 Studio, used the stock Gibson screws too.

the strap button near the neck needed no mods

for the one near the bridge, i had to grind down the stock screw head a tiny tiny bit and drill out the strap button hole a tiny tiny bit

turned out perfect
 

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They would hold without the glue, I just like to be extra careful...

I used Schallers on my Traditional with the original screw up front and the Schaller screw up back. Been that way for a year now without a problem. I do however from time to time check the screws with a screwdriver to make sure they have not slackened off.......no slack yet.

Rob
 

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Bonjour,
désolé j'arrive 4 ans trop tard ! J'ai exactement le même problème avec une LP R8 : les strap lock Schaller que j'ai acheté ont des vis à pas fin, qui risquent de détériorer le pas initial. Hors de question pour moi de mettre un cure-dents, de la colle ou même de la pâte à bois sur ma R8 !! Je me suis donc résolu à monter les vis d'origine, mais j'ai du faire pour cela deux modifs : 1. percer le petit diamètre du bouton Schaller pour que le corps de la vis passe et 2. percer le plus gros diamètre pour que la tête de la vis passe. Et là : grosse bêtise !! car j'ai oublié que le téton du support de sangle tient par ce diamètre !! Du coup, tout est fichu. Pour répondre à votre question, je crois que je vais essayer soit les Dunlop Dual, qui ont l'air d'avoir des vis plus grosses que les Schaller, soit racheter un bouton Fender (avec le bon diamètre de tête, compatible Schaller), et reprendre des vis type Gibson mais en meulant la tête pour réduire son diamètre exter. Je vous tiendrai au courant.
Sorry not to have posted in English but it's late today and it was much easier for me to write in French. You can copy and paste my text in Google translation, it should give you a rough idea of my adventure, but in short, I have exactly the same question and problem as you!
Cheers.
 

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(the only reason I am posting in this necro-thread is to play with my French)

Bonjour,

Je ne comprends pas pourquoi tout le monde fait une grosse affaire de ce. Il n'est pas sorcier. C'est une vis à bois maudit, va dans un trou dans le bois. Si le trou dans votre quitar est trop grand pour le Schaller fourni vis, il suffit d'insérer un petit cure-dent dans le trou et qui fonctionne parfaitement, pour garantir la vis ou le bouton.

Vous n'avez pas besoin de rectifier quelque chose, quoi que ce soit ou coller, modifier quoi que ce soit! Il suffit d'utiliser les vis fournies avec les serrures Schaller.

Je l'ai fait des dizaines de guitares, depuis de nombreuses années. Pas une seule guitare a été endommagé et pas une seule vis est tombé hors du trou.

Bien?
 

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Well, eventually found some Dunlop Traditional Straplocks (ref SLS1503BK). The screws were found a little smaller than the original Gibson: I think the original are 4.5mm where the Dunlop are 4.0mm, but the threads seem to be the same pitch. I installed them this afternoon without any modification (this is what your were looking for if I'm not mistaken?), screws went pretty well into the original threads, with a bit of an exception for the bottom one that went to easily in my opinion (which is normal), so I did not insist too much when screwing it. But it does hold well. The system is sold for release tested up to 800 lbs of pull and periodic lubrication of the balls and locking system is recommended (WD-40). Hope this helps, sorry for any odd expressions, English being not my mother tongue ..
 

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Bonjour,
oui effectivement cela fait une grosse affaire pour pas grand chose ! Mais bon, quand on ne connaît pas, on ne connaît pas. Mettre un cure-dent, je trouve cela pas du tout mécanique, cela ne peut qu'endommager le taraudage bois initial de la guitare. Avec une R8 à 3 300 euros, je n'ai pas envie de jouer à cela, surtout parce que je veux pouvoir remettre les boutons et les vis d'origine si je dois la revendre un jour (ce qui est totalement exclu pour l'instant tellement cette guitare est merveilleuse !!) C'est juste pour cela que j'ai dit que ne voulais ni coller, ni bourrer avec de la pâte à bois ou quoi que ce soit. Mettre les vis Schaller d'origine me paraît trop risqué : elles sont vraiment trop petites. Comme je viens de l'expliquer dans le post précédent, je viens d'acheter des Dunlop Traditional qui, même si les vis sont encore un peu trop petites (-0.5mm je pense), ont le même pas (pitch) que les Gibson, et se sont donc montées sans problème et sans aucune modification. Je vais donc rester là-dessus quelques temps et je verrai ce que cela donne à l'usage. Merci d'avoir fait l'effort d'écrire en français, c'est sympa ! A bientôt.
 

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Je vous promets que l'insertion d'un cure-dent dans le trou ne sera pas causer des dommages permanents. Si jamais vous revendez la guitare et à restaurer les boutons originaux, il suffit de prendre le Schaller vis et mettre la Gibson vis po

Bonne chance avec ce que vous décidez!
 

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OK I agree on the Schallers BUT in the past I have also done this. I got a dedicated strap for the guitar. I took the original Gibson screws and button out.....and screwed it right through the leather part of the strap, in other words made a new hole in the strap. The strap stays on, never comes off. The button sits kind of over the strap, so even if it were to slip it should slip onto the strap button. Never had an incident when I used to do that.
 

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Just made these tonight. Dont like those clumsy Schaller locks. And I dont trust those plastic Dunlop thingies (Havent tried them though to be honest).
Saw that Fender had some rubber rings, which I believe is a good solution, but if you can do them yourself in 5 minutes its a nobrainer....
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On a related note, on my new Epi 1960 Tribute it comes with the Epiphone strap locks. I've always used (and love) Schallers so I'm used to the plunger-style release. The Epis don't appear to have any release mechanism--it's just a friction fit snap ring. Is this correct? Or am I just strong-arming these things on and off when I should be releasing them a different way? Or are they designed *not* to be removed (leave the strap on all the time)?

Anyone ever use these?

I also have an Epi T+ and I do use the supplied Epiphone strap locks though I'm not exactly a wild man when I play that guitar.

Two problems with them so far: first, as you noted, the locking mechanism is just a fairly flimsy snap ring. Second, even on a relatively thin leather strap end, the nut that holds the lock on the strap doesn't have enough threads to bite as well as it should, so I'm constantly checking to be sure it's secure.

On my Gibby I tried Hennessey strap locks and also had a mixed experience. Overall they are solidly built and their locking mechanism itself is mechanically sound. But you can't fit the stock Gibson screws on them without drilling the pins wider or burring down the screw heads, much like folks here say about the Schallers. The Hennessey supplied screws are smaller and don't bite without some variation on the toothpick trick.

I knew all that ahead of time and felt comfortable I had the pins in securely. But then I ran into the same problem with the Hennesseys that I had with the Epi straplocks -- not enough threads on the nut that secures the lock to the strap. It made me paranoid, and last jam I played, even though I checked at the start, one of the nuts still popped off. Luckily I had both hands on the guitar and no harm done.

I have since reattached my original strap pins and gone the rubber-washer (Grolsch) route. Still not sure I'm over my paranoia, and may buy some Schallers and just grind down the screw heads.

This is the only reason I (maybe) wish I had a '14 instead of a '13 LP -- didn't they make the stock strap pin diameter larger this year? That would add a little more security to the Grolsch method.
 

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Since 1977, I've always used washers for my Les Pauls....Superstitious, I guess.
 

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I knew you guys would recommend Schallers! But does anyone have experience with strap locks that can be used without any modifications? Just curious...

I tried going down that path and I'd advise you to forget it. I tried Grolsh washers and had a strap pop off. I tried the the Dunlop Ergo locks (complete junk) and the Lock-it Strap (very nice straps with a lock feature that would work great on a Strat style body, but that could fail on a LP style body).

Get a set of Schaller's or Dunlop's which ever seems better to you, and forget about it. You definitely will not need to drill the guitar, but may need to partially fill some of your screw holes with the toothpick and glue trick. The change could easily be reversed if for some off the wall reason you decided to go back to stock.

Interestingly, on my 2 Les Pauls, 3 of the 4 screw holes were the same size as the Schaller screws but the heel on my traditional had a much larger diameter screw so I and to partially fill that one hole.
 

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I'm sure their fine but I just think the Grolsch gaskets are ugly and I don't trust my expensive prized possession of a guitar to inexpensive rubber O rings (or plastic parts for that matter). I need actual metal hardware that locks in place for me to feel it's for sure secure.
 

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