Authenticity of this 1968 LPC

ARandall

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I'm seeing a 3 piece neck, which counts it out as a 68.
Can't spot the pancake witness lines, so may well be from the earlyish part of 69 before the pancake was brought in.
 

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I don't know if this is a certain way to date a '69 but the dot is missing over the i on the Gibson logo.
 

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@Geordie

Something seems wrong with the stated serial # of 5000xx. Looks like 36 for the "xx".

That "5" looks awfully weak compared to the other visible #s. I played with the highlights and shadows in the second image to make the alleged 5 more visible. There could be another digit to the left of the 5.

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Description says it's a one piece body. It has no volute. 3 piece neck. '68 pots. Open 'b' and open 'o' logo. No dot over the 'i'. Has to be a late '68 or early '69 guitar. It is what it is.
 

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Don't pay 1968 price for what is most likely an early to mid 1969.
Also, that is NOT an original case. Original would be marigold lined, or possibly even rectangular. Red lined, logoed case is mid 1970's or so.
Plus, no pictures of the tenon.
To many no-no's for what they are asking.
 

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Something about that finish is bugging me. Binding edges aren't sharp. No wear on the binding lacquer. Full lacquer neck binding with new frets going over it. Too much grain sinkage on the hog side, like not pore filled properly. Maple side lacquer just looks wrong. Best I can tell from photos, but those are my thoughts.
 

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Why do 68s command so much more money than 69s?
Because the LPC 68 does represent, for many, the last evolution stage of the Les Paul Custom design, with solid hog body (+ maple cap), single piece hog neck, no volute, long tenon, original headstock shape and logo...etc... All things that have been abandoned or changed, (with MANY other aspects like wiring, cavities, binding etc etc etc), with the Norlin era.

69 was a transition model, so you may find some variants in the specs, with some mix (transitional tenon also). Late 69 were then really different than 68, not really for the best.

And then because with a 68 LPC you could post here. With a 69 you need to go in the Norlin section....:thumbs:
 

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Except that the ECL/Norlin takeover of CMI didn't happen until the end of December '69.
 

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Except that the ECL/Norlin takeover of CMI didn't happen until the end of December '69.
Yeah of course, but late 69 were more similar to 70 LPCs than 68, so there is that grey area, where you may find more knowledge in the Norlin era, about late 69 spec'ed LPCs, than over here.

This is why both Vintage and Norlin sections does share the '69 year.
 

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“Don't pay 1968 price for what is most likely an early to mid 1969”
Also, that is NOT an original case. Original would be marigold lined, or possibly even rectangular. Red lined, logoed case is mid 1970's or so.
Plus, no pictures of the tenon.
To many no-no's for what they are asking.
The late ‘68 and early ‘69 are indistinguishable.
 

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It looks tampered with to me. Hard to trust the numbers on this one. My early ‘69 is 5407XX and is long tenon. This number you are showing would be much earlier if this number were correct and only long tenons were used before the later ‘69’s “transitional” with spacers blocks or short tenon like this as discussed. Hope that helps.
 
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Why do 68s command so much more money than 69s?
68's are much more rare! Here are the shipping numbers for the Les Paul Custom for 68 and 69...

1968 433
1969 2353

I used to own a 68 LP Ctm. Was a very fine guitar. Liked it a LOT!
 




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