As a Brit, I ask: Am I missing something.....

[Nicky]

These have to be the only redneck trombone jokes in existence...

You know you're a redneck trombonist when:

You have to wait for the frying pan to cool down before you can lube your slide.

Your counterweight is a Copenhagen can filled with night crawlers.

You empty your water key and it comes out brown.

You don't need a lyre--you just clip the sheet music to the end of your baseball cap.

"Thayer" is the appropriate response to the question "Where'd you leave your trombone, boy?"

You lost your mute when the tuba player returned it for the five cent deposit.


I had to look up the Thayer one...

Maybe the greatest post of all time!

 

[Phil47uk]

my bad, i am a descendent of the Duke of Loudmouth...

You are related to Vasco then I take it?

 

[Phil47uk]

Phil,

you can see almost that far

Yeah the views down here are breathtaking Papa. You must try and get over one day..

 

[Sin Nombre]

That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.

Food for thought when next we consider gun control.

I believe the US already has gun control. But I have never heard any new gun control proposals that would disarm me of my guns.

 

[Joe Bonermaster]

I believe the US already has gun control. But I have never heard any new gun control proposals that would disarm me of my guns.

check the new AWB's introduced in the last and present session of Congress

 

[12watt]

Maybe the greatest post of all time!

I thought you'd dig it.

I have to admit, I was surprised to find them.

 

[cwness]

I believe the US already has gun control. But I have never heard any new gun control proposals that would disarm me of my guns.

You better have a look at what The UN and Hilary are up to. The UN doesn't
want to have guns and Hilary's in lock step with them.

CW

 

[jonny]

What difference is between a crime with a legal gun vs an illegal gun?? A gun is a gun I thought.

The difference is that gun control will have no effect on the crime rate, since most are committed with illegal guns. The gun control just it harder for honest law abiding citizens.

 

[Sin Nombre]

check the new AWB's introduced in the last and present session of Congress

Be glad to, please provide a link or some text.

You better have a look at what The UN and Hilary are up to. The UN doesn't
want to have guns and Hilary's in lock step with them.

CW

And a link to something that shows the UN legislates US law.

 

[X–Ray]

check the new AWB's introduced in the last and present session of Congress

when did the Average White Band get into politics? competing with Bono no doubt...

 

[X–Ray]

You are related to Vasco then I take it?

we don't talk about Vasco's side of the family

 

[Rawhdney]

Just read an article on how Mexican Drug Cartel is using US citizens to legally purchase guns and smuggle them to Mexico.

US federal agents discovered that Hernandez was at the heart of a ring of two dozen people who bought more than 300 weapons from Texas gun shops for one of the more notorious Mexican drug cartels, Los Zetas. Some of those guns have since been linked to the killings of at least 18 Mexican police officers and civilians, including members of the judiciary and a businessman who was abducted and murdered.

The weapons bought by Hernandez and his ring were just a fraction of the tens of thousands smuggled across the US's southern border to cartels...

Shit's complex with no easy answer in sight...
I like to shoot guns too.

 

[Joe Bonermaster]

Just read an article on how Mexican Drug Cartel is using US citizens to legally purchase guns and smuggle them to Mexico.

yes they're called el Deeeepartmeeeento de Yusteeeeece in Mexico

 

[X–Ray]

__________________

seems an overwhelming emphasis on "the firearm" itself and scant attention on those who use them, and, the myriad of purposes/intentions for possession/usage of such

maybe i missed "the people" post or two?

maybe "automatic" weapons have become so automatic they no longer require people to operate them (i.e., intention, load, point, shoot)?

just saying... this is an easy discussion, innit?

 

[Thermionik]

.
.
This Jefferson geezer - he seemed to be on to something.....

No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson, June 1776

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson

Seems he set off a whole slew of quotards:-

You may not like guns, and choose not to own one. That is your right. You might not believe in God. That is your choice. However, if someone is breaking into your home the first two things you are going to do are: 1) Call someone with a gun. 2) Pray they get there in time.

The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win, and cheat if necessary.

Never forget, incoming fire has the right of way.

Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. You may get killed with your own gun, but he'll have to beat you to death with it, cause it's going to be empty.

If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin', you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick.

When you reload in low light encounters, don't put your flashlight in your back pocket. If you light yourself up, you'll look like an angel or the tooth fairy, and you're gonna be one of 'em pretty soon.

Shoot what's available, as long as it's available, until something else becomes available.

If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous.. If you have a gun, what in the hell do you have to be paranoid about.

Don't shoot fast, unless you also shoot good.

You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or use any other word you think will work, but I've found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much a universal language.

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

Carry a gun. Why? Because a cop is too heavy.

When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.

Beware of the man who only has one gun, because he probably knows how to use it very well.

A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.

Governments like control - the only real power governments have to fall back on if necessary to preserve their authority is the use of force. That is not as easy or effective against an armed population. So governments around the world seek to disarm everyone except their own military and law enforcement. This had been the case for thousands of years. It is still the case today. The only time governments want their average citizens to be armed historically is when the threat of losing their authority to foreign invaders is greater than the risk from their own population.
.
.

 

[Juan Starr]

Jefferson also said:-

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks], will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

and

"I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." (in a letter to John Taylor in 1816)

purple -> Obviously a fool <- purple

 

[X–Ray]

.
.
This Jefferson geezer - he seemed to be on to something.....

No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson, June 1776

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson

Seems he set off a whole slew of quotards:-

You may not like guns, and choose not to own one. That is your right. You might not believe in God. That is your choice. However, if someone is breaking into your home the first two things you are going to do are: 1) Call someone with a gun. 2) Pray they get there in time.

The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win, and cheat if necessary.

Never forget, incoming fire has the right of way.

Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. You may get killed with your own gun, but he'll have to beat you to death with it, cause it's going to be empty.

If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin', you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick.

When you reload in low light encounters, don't put your flashlight in your back pocket. If you light yourself up, you'll look like an angel or the tooth fairy, and you're gonna be one of 'em pretty soon.

Shoot what's available, as long as it's available, until something else becomes available.

If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous.. If you have a gun, what in the hell do you have to be paranoid about.

Don't shoot fast, unless you also shoot good.

You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or use any other word you think will work, but I've found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much a universal language.

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

Carry a gun. Why? Because a cop is too heavy.

When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.

Beware of the man who only has one gun, because he probably knows how to use it very well.

A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.

Governments like control - the only real power governments have to fall back on if necessary to preserve their authority is the use of force. That is not as easy or effective against an armed population. So governments around the world seek to disarm everyone except their own military and law enforcement. This had been the case for thousands of years. It is still the case today. The only time governments want their average citizens to be armed historically is when the threat of losing their authority to foreign invaders is greater than the risk from their own population.
.
.

well, quite a few quotards referencing "People" more so than "Weapons"

the order seems correct to me:

Primary: Persons

Secondary: Weapons

The time seems ripe to introduce correlation and causation into the conversation...

Bottom line: the sanest way to provide safety

Or, am I alone in seeing the bottom line of this thread is safety and how to achieve and maintain it?

 

[Phil47uk]

we don't talk about Vasco's side of the family

You mean Vascooooooo..
Can't say I blame you..

 

[Thermionik]

So...

The moderators didn't see fit to lock this thread early on,
to the consternation if the IBTL posters.
Neither did the moderators see fit to vapourise it, as the OP requested.

And, fortunately, nobody saw fit to bump it once it died a natural death back in 2011, which was nice too...
So all's well as ends well, innit.

 

[firesgt911]

IBTL! Wait! Damn...