Are Probuckers the same as Bustbuckers

LtKojak

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As I've been called in cause here, I'll be happy to oblige.

The about three dozen gibson BBs I've measured, I haven't noticed any of the much advertised "coil offset". As it's been said, BBs are non-potted when acquired as aftermarket. BBs that come stock with Gibson guitars, as a rule-of-thumb they come potted, but certain models in different years came stock un-potted, so YMMV.

Epi Probuckers are "inspired" on BBs II and III, but they're not clones. Actually, they're a lot closer to '57 Classic/'57 Classic Plus, both construction- and specs-wise, but they're actually wound like T-Tops, with SPN wire, instead of the Plain Enamel coating on the original, '90s '57 Classics, although they too changed to Poly wire, that Gibson ordered in the same color as Plain Enamel. Talking about being skeaky bastards...

Probuckers' baseplates and covers are made of real silvernickel, but the screws and slugs are a bit on the dark side, and I have no idea what alloy they're using. Changing the slugs and screws with 3rd party ones with known carbon content made a sensible difference in their definition and articulation, specially the neck one, and changing the magnet with an A3, made it pretty good indeed.

I've only measured two Probuckers, and they were not coil-offset. The wind tension and pattern reminds me of T-Tops, though.

Hope you find this info useful.
 

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IDK. I think a lot of guitar players have a knee-jerk type reaction and replace their PUs immediately with something 'better' when they get a new guitar. I wonder if in blind tests if they could always pick out the different pickups...
I kinda of agree with that. I'm no expert, but i often wonder if spending another few hundred dollars/pounds/euros would make that much of a huge difference. I once put an aftermarket carburetor and filter on a ford escort, car wasn't any faster.

One of these days, i'll buy an old guitar i want to change completely and upgrade everything on it, to see if makes a difference. Maybe if your Jimmy Page it makes sense.
 

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'As good as they can possibly be'
but not quite the same. My Midtown Standard has Burstbuckers, Most of my Epiphones have Probuckers, but the quality of all of them have me quite satisfied. The Sizzle comes out effortlessly on the Midtown, as it does on my 100th Anniversary Les Paul. Those two aren't too far away from each other in sounds, but the Midtown wins in the final lap. Can't deny that...pulls ahead ever so slightly.
 

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I can't see much difference in that spec sheet, between Burstbucker III and Probucker 3. Probuckers are potted more heavily, but that's about it.
I think Epiphone Probuckers are much cheaper to produce in China than Burstbuckers are in U.S.
That difference makes it well worth to make almost the same part and calling it something slightly different.
At the introduction of Probuckers I remember reading, and I paraphrase, it's been a lot of years, that Probuckers were basically identical to Burstbuckers, except wound in China instead of America.
 

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1. No they are not the same as BBs
2. They are more similar to Classic 57s
3. They are very good HBs! Have them in my Epi ES-339
4. A demo with Paul from Guitar World is worth nothing ;-)
 

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1. No they are not the same as BBs
2. They are more similar to Classic 57s
3. They are very good HBs! Have them in my Epi ES-339
4. A demo with Paul from Guitar World is worth nothing ;-)
Hmmm, now I'd have to look up if they are in my Ultra-339 too? I never actually paid much attention to specs (although I probably did at time of purchase?), but as long as it felt good and sounded good, I went with it.
 

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I couldn't find much information on a comparison, which is why i asked the question.

One of the other questions of interest, is do most people keep them, or switch them out.
 

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I switched them in.

I had Alnico Classic and HOT Alnico Classic pickups in my LP Ultra and got a set of ProBuckers off someone's brand new Epi to replace them. The Classics were great, but the ProBuckers I like better. More definition, better balance.
 




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