Any Reissues After 2013 Fading?

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Yep, I have seen many TH fading quickly and in a vey good way. Like.
 

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2014 CS dirty lemon top hasn't budged an inch, and this guitar is mainly on a stand, not in a case. BUT the body and neck have begun the journey to a nice, aged brown.

So perhaps it is the red pigments that are more prone to fade? IIRC we were told that the tops used pigments that were stable under UV but the body and neck used old-skool analine. But maybe the cherry burst tops are designed to fade somewhat. So that when you take the poker chip and pickguard off a TH, it looks right.
 

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The TH finish is about a third the thickness of a regular historic's so it's less resilient in every way.

I've seen some sun baking experiments in the other forum but regular historics require a lot more effort to achieve the same effect, and even then they don't fade like the '50s LPs do (no green at all) and you run the risk of damaging the finish.
Just get it refinished by a pro or buy another one. It's what colour options are for.
 

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The TH finish is about a third the thickness of a regular historic's so it's less resilient in every way.

I've seen some sun baking experiments in the other forum but regular historics require a lot more effort to achieve the same effect, and even then they don't fade like the '50s LPs do (no green at all) and you run the risk of damaging the finish.
Just get it refinished by a pro or buy another one. It's what colour options are for.
Where did you find this information about the thickness being less?


Found this: https://www.themusiczoo.com/blogs/news/the-gibson-59-true-historic-les-paul-comparison

Is this accurate?

Weren't the True Historics specs then incorperated into the line after they stopped the run?
 
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Where did you find this information about the thickness being less?
“It’s still nitrocellulose, but it’s a different formula that dries a lot harder and a little slower. The average thickness of a Gibson finish is about 13 mil [thousandths of an inch] thick. On True Historic, the spec is 5 mil.
 

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Weren't the True Historics specs then incorperated into the line after they stopped the run?
Not all of them. Not the rolled fingerboard edges, double carving, (?) wet sanded finish and thinner lacquer.
The changes that stayed were the dimensions and parts like the plastics, pickup covers, thinner holly head veneer, etc.
 

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Not all of them. Not the rolled fingerboard edges, double carving, (?) wet sanded finish and thinner lacquer.
The changes that stayed were the dimensions and parts like the plastics, pickup covers, thinner holly head veneer, etc.
Copy. For the freatures said not to have been included into the line after the run(rolled fingerboard edges, double wet sanded finish, thinner lacquer), where may one find that information?

It would make sense to me that the thinner finish would fade easier, or differently than the other finished guitars.
 
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Copy. For the freatures said not to have been included into the line after the run(rolled fingerboard edges, double wet sanded finish, thinner lacquer), where may one find that information?
It's mostly guesswork and there's a thread about it in the other forum.
All of the dropped specs require extra labour, while the ones that stayed are equipment related. Said dropped specs stopped appearing in product literature as well.
 

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It's mostly guesswork and there's a thread about it in the other forum.
All of the dropped specs require extra labour, while the ones that stayed are equipment related. Said dropped specs stopped appearing in product literature as well.
Understood. Product literature has never been great, that's why we're searching articles and quotes. Spraying thinner lacquer doesn't seem more labor intensive. The other processes, would take more time and attention to each guitar. How much time, a person who does this work for a living would be able to let us know.

From videos about CME guitars, after the True Historic run was complete; CME referance having all the True Historic specs. Not mentioning anything being dropped.

Would these guitars also fade in the same fast or more reactive way as the True Historic guitars?

If anyone owns a CME or Historic Select guitar, would be great to report in.
 




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