Any improvements to 2021 (non-Murphy Lab) historics?

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Were there any improvements to the Historic reissues for 2021, aside from the Murphy Lab aging options? Did the "regular" R8s, R9s and R0s get anything new or different? In fact, what has changed since the 2019 anniversary versions of these models - anything?
 

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To my knowledge, nothing has changed since 2019.

Edit: Well, there is one thing I almost forgot. In 2020 Gibson seemed to be using a different formula for the analine dye or just a different mix. In particular, 2020 had more deeper almost wine red to the backs of LPs and SG bodies.
 
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Everyone knows they get a little more accurate to the original each year.
I don't know if that's necessarily true for the 21s. I haven't seen Gibson advertise a single new "improvement" other than the Murphy Lab aging, and they aren't usually shy about it.
 

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Somewhere someone mentioned that the thumbwheels have been improved? But I have no idea what they meant by that
 

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I feel like the finishes are the "next frontier" for improvements. Murphy has apparently come up with a nitro blend that can be artificially aged with similar methods to what HM and other makeover specialists use, rather than a razor blade. He hints at it at the 1:24 point in this video:


If you look at the checking shown during that segment, it's not the razor blade type - it's physical cracks or crazing originating from stress points that were physically introduced to the finish. Dings, much like HM uses. This suggests that Murphy and company have finally come up with a nitro blend that reacts to this process.

I can imagine a next step being "relic ready" LPs, similar to some finishes Fender puts out, that aren't beat up yet but will show age really quickly.
 

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Ive had checking on a couple of my nitro Strats and Historic Les Pauls. Maybe the formula recently changed but my 2015 TH59 which was my main guitar for several years and became a real beater checked after 4 years.

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I‘d also suggest you look at the checking of the Murphy Lab. While I really like some of the colors and the general aging and wear, the broken mirror checking put me off. The above checking from just regular abuse imho looks more natural and resembles what I have seen on vintage Les Pauls.


I feel like the finishes are the "next frontier" for improvements. Murphy has apparently come up with a nitro blend that can be artificially aged with similar methods to what HM and other makeover specialists use, rather than a razor blade. He hints at it at the 1:24 point in this video:


If you look at the checking shown during that segment, it's not the razor blade type - it's physical cracks or crazing originating from stress points that were physically introduced to the finish. Dings, much like HM uses. This suggests that Murphy and company have finally come up with a nitro blend that reacts to this process.

I can imagine a next step being "relic ready" LPs, similar to some finishes Fender puts out, that aren't beat up yet but will show age really quickly.
 
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Somewhere someone mentioned that the thumbwheels have been improved? But I have no idea what they meant by that
No changes since 2019. And yes the thumbwheels changed back to brass about 4 months ago. Still are not correct size but at least the brighter tone from the steel wheels is gone.

when I read Hidden's post about the thumb wheels I thought that he was being sarcastic.
but after reading MarkGuitar's response I guess he wasn't.

:)
 

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No changes since 2019. And yes the thumbwheels changed back to brass about 4 months ago. Still are not correct size but at least the brighter tone from the steel wheels is gone.
So, they are inventing the wheel still. Obviously if you let children play without supervision ...

When did they start using carbon steel thumbwheels after the change to 1.5" long carbon steel tailpiece studs in late 2011?! Do you know if they 'GAVE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT' similar to this carbon steel thumbwheels ... design creativity for treble deaf? Any other 'alloy tweaks' in last 10 years?

The funniest thing I've found about this carbon steel vs brass game (and all other alloys being replaced with harder ones) they play for 50+ years already was with then new '08 R8 which had new at the time wireless ABR-1 bridge with TREBLE side BRASS post and BASS side CARBON STEEL post.
 

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To my knowledge, nothing has changed since 2019.

Edit: Well, there is one thing I almost forgot. In 2020 Gibson seemed to be using a different formula for the analine dye or just a different mix. In particular, 2020 had more deeper almost wine red to the backs of LPs and SG bodies.
I'm noticing it on the es models as well. In some pics it appears almost purplish.
 

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