Another stage collapse

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5 killed, 140 hurt as tents, stage collapse in Belgium


HASSELT, Belgium — Young people screamed and fled in panic as a fierce thunderstorm shredded huge canvas tents and brought down metal scaffolding at an open-air festival in Belgium, killing at least five people.

Hasselt Mayor Hilde Claes said Friday that two more people had died, bringing the toll from Thursday night’s disaster to five. About 140 were injured in the storm, 10 of them seriously, she said. All the dead were Belgians.

“We were dancing away and it (the shelter) caved in in the middle and people were screaming and running away,’’ one sodden young woman told Associated Press Television News.

Organizers canceled the annual Pukkelpop festival near Hasselt, 50 miles (80 kilometers) east of Brussels and pressed fleets of buses and trains into service to send the 60,000 festival goers home.

The brief, violent thunderstorm toppled the poles of several concert tents and left them in tatters, flapping in the wind. It also downed several trees and the scaffolding for the main stage, where rows of concert lights swung wildly before crashing down.

Video showed panicked concertgoers crawling out from under the downed tents and running through fields of mud looking for shelter.

“There are still three patients in critical condition fighting for their lives,’’ Dr. Pascal Vranckx of Jessa Hospital in Hasselt told reporters. He said many of the injured were hit on the head by flying or falling debris.

After the storm, thousands of mud-splattered young people, many of them shoeless, trekked down the avenue from the festival to train and bus stations in Hasselt. Many had stayed on in the camping ground in the vain hope that the performances would continue on Friday.

At a news conference Friday, Hasselt officials and festival organizers described weather conditions at the event’s opening day as exceptional. They said weather forecasters had not predicted a storm of that intensity.

The Belgian weather service refused to give the speed of the wind, saying only that the storm was “violent.’’

Chokri Mahassine, the organizer of the annual festival that was first held in 1985, said he had never seen anything like it.

“I have seen many tropical storms, but this was unprecedented,’’ he told journalists. He said he canceled the event “out of respect for the victims, their relatives and friends we felt that the concert could not continue.’’

“This is the blackest day that any Belgian festival has experienced,’’ Mahassine said.

Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme offered condolences to the families of the victims and said authorities would continue to help caring for the injured.

The three-day festival’s lineup featured internationally known acts, including Foo Fighters, Eminem and The Offspring.

“Our hearts go out to everyone affected by the tragic events at Pukkelpop,’’ the Foo Fighters, whose Thursday night show was canceled after the storm hit, said in a Twitter message.

“My heart goes out to those kids who came to see their favourite bands & ended up losing their lives and getting hurt, so sad right now,’’ Skin, the lead singer of Skunk Anansie, which was performing on the main stage when the storm hit, tweeted in the early hours of Friday.

“This is not how it should be. Oof,’’ tweeted the Fleet Foxes, who had also been set to play Thursday night. Earlier, the band used Twitter to assure their family and fans they and their crew were all save.

Damien Poinen, an 18-year old Belgian, was one of the many people who camped on the festival grounds in the hope that the performances would continue.

“On the one side (canceling the festival) was the right thing to do. On the other side, some still wanted to party,’’ he said. “Considering the people who died here yesterday, I was not going to stay anyway.’’

This was the second deadly incident at an outdoor festival in a week. On Saturday, parts of a stage collapsed at the Indiana State Fair in Indianapolis, killing five people and injuring dozens, when winds of up to 70 mph (112 kph) hit the site.
 

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No way!!!!! cant believe it just yet!!!!

How many more will have to die around the world before they actually think about safety and not profit! dam it!
 

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That is oddly familiar! wow, whats the odds of that happening
twice in the same week?
 

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i don't know what happened in Indiana, but imo the organisers did everything they could in Belgium. You can't predict this kind of weather, even if you read every newsreport. And even if you could what would you do. Let's say you find out 30 min before his storm is going to hit. You want to say in that mike on stage to 80.000 people they need to find a safe place? Can you imagine the panic that would cause? Where would they go? Tents collapsed, trees were coming down.. nowhere to hide.

Love your avatar btw, mine comes from the shop ;)
 
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What's funny is you don't see things happen like that to Sonisphere, and that's a touring festival. They go all over the place.
 

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i don't know what happened in Indiana, but imo the organisers did everything they could in Belgium. You can't predict this kind of weather, even if you read every newsreport. And even if you could what would you do. Let's say you find out 30 min before his storm is going to hit. You want to say in that mike on stage to 80.000 people they need to find a safe place? Can you imagine the panic that would cause? Where would they go? Tents collapsed, trees were coming down.. nowhere to hide.
You can predict this kind of weather.

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If the stage isn't built to handle those kind of high winds then you need to evacuate the crowd. If you don't have a plan to adequately evacuate a crowd that size, then you better get one. That's part of the reason the SRO areas are sectioned off these days, to segment crowd control.

We had a storm blow through last night with 70 mph winds. If it's that common (and it seems to be), then event organizers need to plan for it. It's not a fluke if it happens over and over and over...
 

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that's the opinion of one "expert". And in Indiana,
I can only speak about what happened in Belgium.
The forecasts said the storm would go around the festival site.
Changed in the last 30min. So yeah you can predict the weather, not where it's going to hit.

"Ballisty also said officials should have evacuated the fair when the storm warning was issued, which came 10 minutes before the stage blew down."

Again, tell 80.000 people that in 10 minutes time they'll have to fear for their life, and that they should evacuate. Not a good idea..
And where do you want to evacuate them? Where would you shelter 80 000 people?
Windspeeds were higher then 70mph. They were hit by a hurricane. Situation looks alot different then the one in Indiana. It's not one stage that collapsed. Everything collapsed. Including trees on the site.
The main stages are still standing. It's smaller tents and flying debris that caused the deaths.
 

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that's the opinion of one "expert". And in Indiana,
I can only speak about what happened in Belgium.
Yeah, let's not listen to the weather expert about the ability to see severe weather coming. Let's just call it a fluke. We'll call the next one a fluke, too. And the next one... :shock:

The forecasts said the storm would go around the festival site.
Changed in the last 30min. So yeah you can predict the weather, not where it's going to hit.
30 minutes is plenty of time for an orderly evacuation. 10 minutes would've been more than enough for the people in front of the Sugarland stage in Indiana.

Look, you don't have to force people to leave, you just have to tell those who stay to accept responsibility for not evacuating. Give people the information they need and the chance to try to do something about it.

"Ballisty also said officials should have evacuated the fair when the storm warning was issued, which came 10 minutes before the stage blew down."

Again, tell 80.000 people that in 10 minutes time they'll have to fear for their life, and that they should evacuate. Not a good idea..
And where do you want to evacuate them? Where would you shelter 80 000 people?
You don't think that's something to consider when you put on a festival for 80,000?

Windspeeds were higher then 70mph. They were hit by a hurricane. Situation looks alot different then the one in Indiana. It's not one stage that collapsed. Everything collapsed. Including trees on the site.
The main stages are still standing. It's smaller tents and flying debris that caused the deaths.
I had a storm with 70 mph winds at my house last night. Knocked power out for hours, took several large branches off two trees, not to mention trees blown down in my neighbors' yards. I had plenty of time to act because there was a severe thunderstorm warning announced in advance and we know what to do when those are issued.
 

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This is like the third one in 2 weeks.
 

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Yeah, let's not listen to the weather expert about the ability to see severe weather coming. Let's just call it a fluke. We'll call the next one a fluke, too. And the next one... :shock:
I'm listening to other experts, the ones who are here all day on television telling us it looked like a normal thunderstorm, not a hurricane, and that it couldn't be predicted.
I'm not going to discuss the other stuff, you're talking about indiana (and you in your home) which is not comparable to what happened here, and i'm too tired/down anyway.
 

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Makes you wonder if they were similar stage rigging, and if there's some flaw that's causing them to collapse. Maybe they need to vent the canvas across the top, or rig it to release under high winds. It seems at the other 2 collapses (Cheap Trick in Canada and the fair in Indiana) the wind picked up the stage rigging due to the canvas at the top of the rigging acting as a sail. Like what do I know but it seems like this is a problem in the design?
 
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