Alright people: New guitar, Truss rod came out AGAIN.

[HDuncan]

Either Epiphone is mass producing broken LP Goth Studios, or this is a design feature that I keep running into..

I sent back my first LP Goth Studio because the truss rod allen wrench slot would move in and out of the guitar about a whole inch if it got stuck on the allen wrench when I was pulling the wrench out.

Well, I've had my replacement for a while and I just went to adjust some bow out of the neck (going for dead straight) so I turned it 3/4s of a full rotation and pulled out the wrench after some jiggling (the socket wasnt letting go) and here comes the truss rod socket just like before.

Whats the deal brothers???

 

[dennistruckdriver]

Either Epiphone is mass producing broken LP Goth Studios, or this is a design feature that I keep running into...Whats the deal brothers???

Is it made in China?

 

[VastHorizon]

3/4's of a full rotation is too much! You're only supposed to turn it 1/4 - 1/2 turn max. No wonder they get broken.

 

[-=[Shifty]=-]

3/4's of a full rotation is too much! You're only supposed to turn it 1/4 - 1/2 turn max. No wonder they get broken.

Gotta agree. The way you describe it, it doesn't seem like the truss rod is the problem. 3/4s is way too much.
Which way did you turn the truss rod?

 

[Hedcrash]

Not very helpful to just pile on, but I have to agree, 3/4 turn is HUGE on a TR adjustment. When I'm working on mine, I move it like an 1/8 of a turn at a time at most. Then I let it settle a bit and check it again. It may take me 2-3 iterations of this, but never as much as 3/4 turn.

 

[HDuncan]

if 3/4s is too much, then there are some widly conflicting viewpoints floating around even on this board!

I was tightening the truss rod.

However, I know that my tightening was not the reason it broke, because the first LP I got did this before I even turned the wrench. I put the wrench in, then decided to do something else, took the wrench out, and along came the socket. Also, I heard no cracking or breaking sounds either time. Theres no building tension and then release, its really strange..

The only reason I had to turn it that much was because the neck wasnt responding, too. But even after 3/4's of a turn and the rod socket coming out, I pushed it back in and the neck is as straight as I want it to be. I guess I will just try not to touch it again, but seriously guys, what's the deal? Had nobody seen/heard of this before?

 

[chasenblues]

 

[Benniator]

Either Epiphone is mass producing broken LP Goth Studios, or this is a design feature that I keep running into..

I sent back my first LP Goth Studio because the truss rod allen wrench slot would move in and out of the guitar about a whole inch if it got stuck on the allen wrench when I was pulling the wrench out.

Well, I've had my replacement for a while and I just went to adjust some bow out of the neck (going for dead straight) so I turned it 3/4s of a full rotation and pulled out the wrench after some jiggling (the socket wasnt letting go) and here comes the truss rod socket just like before.

Whats the deal brothers???

 

[yllsacky]

Either Epiphone is mass producing broken LP Goth Studios, or this is a design feature that I keep running into..

I sent back my first LP Goth Studio because the truss rod allen wrench slot would move in and out of the guitar about a whole inch if it got stuck on the allen wrench when I was pulling the wrench out.

Well, I've had my replacement for a while and I just went to adjust some bow out of the neck (going for dead straight) so I turned it 3/4s of a full rotation and pulled out the wrench after some jiggling (the socket wasnt letting go) and here comes the truss rod socket just like before.

Whats the deal brothers???

leave it to the experts

 

[-=[Shifty]=-]

...I just went to adjust some bow out of the neck (going for dead straight) so I turned it 3/4s of a full rotation and pulled out the wrench after some jiggling (the socket wasnt letting go) and here comes the truss rod socket just like before....

...I was tightening the truss rod....

Uhm, if your neck has bow, you have to loosen the truss rod.

 

[HDuncan]

Tighten to straighten, loosen for bow is what the guy in the video said.
My neck was doing this: \/ not this /\.

And By the way, I maybe tightened it 1/8th more than what he did.

Like I said- In the last guitar I had that did this (Same model) the truss rod socket slipped in and out before I even turned the wrench.

So how about providing some help rather than implying that I broke my guitar out of negligence.

 

[HDuncan]

Uhm, if your neck has bow, you have to loosen the truss rod.

Bow = Relief

 

[leftyguitarman]

Also, I heard no cracking or breaking sounds either time.

That doesn't mean that 3/4 of a turn wasn't too much. I've turned a truss rod 3/4 of a turn before and nothing bad happened, but still, something bad can happen. Better to be safe than sorry, especially with a set neck.

The only reason I had to turn it that much was because the neck wasnt responding, too.

It probably did respond; you just couldn't tell with your eyes. Any time I've adjusted a truss rod, I can tell a difference with 1/4 turn. Not with my eyes, but with my hands when I put them on the neck and fret notes.

 

[HDuncan]

Well, I guess what I'm getting at is:

Is there any "proper" way for the truss socket/nut to move in and out?

How can I tell if the truss rod is broken? The rod appears to still be doing its job...

 

[qwank]

take it to a professional and stop messing with your guitar

 

[River]

I can't help when it comes to rods falling out and such, but I do feel compelled to point out that adjusting the rod does not always produce an immediate result. It can take minutes before you see it.

And seeing is not the most reliable way to perceive the result. You may not be able to see the difference between an amount of relief that works and one which doesn't.

 

[chasenblues]

If the rod is loose can you take it all the way out of the neck?
if it comes out of the guitar look at the opposite end of where the wrench goes does it look like its broken/snapped
My guess would be that if nothing is wrong with that end then maybe its a case of the rod not being properly threaded into nut/bushing that is inside the neck.
Here's a link to a different thread but it shows you what the truss rod looks like inside the neck of the guitar.
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/22470-do-they-ever-fill-gap-long-neck-tenon.html

 

[-=[Shifty]=-]

Bow = Relief

Sorry man, but from the terms I've learned on this forum the 2nd picture shows 'back bow' and the 3rd shows 'relief'. I'm not a native english speaker and that's the terminology I've learned here. According to that I thought you were sayin' that your neck had 'back bow'! Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I never make more than 1/4 turns at a time when I adjust the truss rod. You also need to give the neck some time to settle in. The adjustment isn't always immediately visible.

I'm not a luthier but for my understanding the truss rod socket shouldn't move at all.

 

[jaze70ss]

I like to actually take the tension off the neck to adjust it...(unwind the strings abount 5 turns) It takes me more time, but it also takes the stress on the threads and rod down a notch when adjusting.... small increments and lots of retuning but I haven't had any problems this way.. My 2 cents. hope that helps you.. Jay

 

[River]

Sorry man, but from the terms I've learned on this forum the 2nd picture shows 'back bow' and the 3rd shows 'relief'. I'm not a native english speaker and that's the terminology I've learned here. According to that I thought you were sayin' that your neck had 'back bow'! Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I never make more than 1/4 turns at a time when I adjust the truss rod. You also need to give the neck some time to settle in. The adjustment isn't always immediately visible.

I'm not a luthier but for my understanding the truss rod socket shouldn't move at all.

Turn it to the left. Which left, this left? No, the other left!