A Beginner's Guide to Standby Use

theNARDdog9

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It seems to me that the whole use of the standby switch is rather confusing to some people. From research across the internet I have found various people asking about how to properly use standby. I thought this thread might serve to help as a resource for those who have questions about standby and how it should properly be used.

How does one use Standby?
The standby switch can be found on your amp generally next to the power switch. When, both switches are in the "off" position, there will be no power to the tubes and no sound. In order to start warming up your amp, you will want to turn the power of the amp "on", and leave the standby switch in the "off" position. As a general rule of thumb for tube amps, leave it in this position for an equal number of seconds as the wattage of your amp (i.e. a 30 watt head=30 seconds in standby). After this time goes off, you can flick the standby switch into the "on" position, meaning that your amp is no longer on standby and by switching into this position, sound will now come out of the amp. To turn off, essentially do the reverse; turn the amp first into standby, strum a few times to make sure there is no sound coming out, and then turn off the power.

Power (off) + standby (off)=no sound
Power (on) + standby (off)=no sound, tubes warming up-->don't leave too long to prevent cathode "poisoning"
Power (on) + standby (on)=sound; time to rock out!! :dude:

***to avoid confusion in this, since different standby switches may say on or off and refer to different things, I refer to "on" as the position in which sound will be coming out of the amp, and "off" as the position in which no sounds of coming out***

Why is this important?
The standby switch is used so that you can let the tubes warm up before you start playing. It was also created to prevent a process called cathode stripping. The cathode inside the tubes must be heated and must accumulate a "cloud" of electrons, before being used. If you go straight into playing without warming the amp up, the electrons will not accumulate, and the electrons won't be taken from the cloud, but instead directly from the cathode thereby stripping it. Pretty much, long story short, you will lower your tube's life expectancy.

Some amps don't have standby. Why?
A lot of amps these days have solved the reason that standby was actually created, and so it isn't really necessary. If it isn't there, you don't need to worry about. Some companies continue to add the standby switch merely as a conformance to old standards, and because people know how to use them and expect them to be there.

What if I want to stop playing for a few minutes? Can I just use the Standby?
No. If you are going to take a break from playing and don't want to turn your amp off, you should NOT just leave it in standby. Instead, leave the amp on and running and just turn your guitar's volume control off. Leaving your amp on standby for too long can be detrimental to the tubes in your amp, leading to a process called "cathode poisoning". Here is a quick little quote from an article on standby and it's proper uses as well as the dangers of it:

"While the above is fairly simple and basic explanation,
one should also be aware that EXCESSIVE USE of a
standby switch can cause another destructive process
within the tube. If the tubes in the amp are allowed
to operate for considerable lengths of time with the
standby switch off (no B+/high voltage) the cathode
material itself tends to build up a destructive process
within itself, and this is referred to as “cathode poisoning.” The “old timers” used to call this phenomenon
“SLEEPING SICKNESS!” When a tube is at full operating temperature and no current is being drawn (as is
the case with no B+/high voltage) a high resistance
layer is gradually formed at the “interface” between the
oxide coating and the nickel cathode structure. This
layer of barium orthosilicate causes tube performance
to degrade significantly. It is important that the standby
switch NOT be left in the “off position” (no B+) for more
than 15 to 20 minutes at a time to avoid “poisoning” the
tube’s cathodes. "

If you want to read the whole article, which I recommend here's the linky.

http://www.peavey.com/support/technotes/hartley/chapter_6.pdf

and a video also explaining the idea

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfUHzPL0jHI]How to use a Standby switch on guitar amplifiers and how they work - YouTube[/ame]

I hope this helps and if you have other info to contribute please feel free!!:dude:
 

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Thank you so much for this post. It seems I have been using my standby switch way too much! Wow. This is very good information!
 

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1. Go to gig.
2. Plug in amp.
3. Turn amp power "On".
4. Tune guitar and plug in.
5. Turn amp from "Standby" to "On".
Tubes don't need that long to warm up. A minute is plenty.
 

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Thanks. I have to admit that I was guilty of utilizing that "Standby" switch pretty liberally on both long and short breaks. I was under the misconception it kept the tubes warm, used less power and actually helped conserve their "life". That was a bad miss on my part.
 

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this is mostly true if your amp is diode rectified. If you have a tube rectifer the warm-up should be slow enough that you don't really need a standby function at all. If your amp is diode rectified and doesn't have built in safe-guards the info in the OP is accurate.

I have a vintage amp (1969) that is diode rectified and didn't have standby switch. I fixed this situation by having a 3-way switch installed where the old one was. Now the middle position is standby. Pretty nice.
 

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What's the protocol for a sf vibro champ? I let it warm up for like 10 seconds and push it with a boost pedal without turning it up past 3.
 

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I leave my standby in the on position at all times. Helps some amps avoid popping the rectifiers.

RNR

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The standby switch isn't necessary and won't necessarily increase tube life.
 

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Now you tell me. I leave my amp in stand-by up to 6-8 hours sometimes.
 

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Warm up in standby = to the number of watts? So, I let my 5 watt amp warm up for 5 seconds? I do not agree with that, or the part about putting the amp in standby before powering down. You do not need to do that. Thanks for the read but it is not entirely correct.
 

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The standby switch isn't necessary and won't necessarily increase tube life.

True.
I still put a standby on most of my builds, but now it's a mute instead of actually pulling the high voltage off the B+ rail.
Cathode stripping is a concern in very high powered tubes, not so much in the audio amplification field.
 

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Warm up in standby = to the number of watts? So, I let my 5 watt amp warm up for 5 seconds? I do not agree with that, or the part about putting the amp in standby before powering down. You do not need to do that. Thanks for the read but it is not entirely correct.

True, not needed but it is a good habit.
That way you don't have the standby in "Play" when you turn the amp back on.
Nor do you need to constantly check.
Handy on those amps where the switches are on the back.
If I reach back there and both switches are down, then I know where to start.
 

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The standby, if poorly implemented, can actually be bad for the amp.

If the standby leaves the filter caps drained, but has everything else hot and raring to go, then it will put enormous strain on the rectifier. The rectifier will be heated and ready to conduct, the power valves will likewise be heated and ready to draw max current, you hit the standby, and voila! Your recto is peering into the yawning depths of an empty reservoir capacitor. It attempts to charge it in one AC up-cycle, and promptly bursts its onions. One dead recto.

When thinking about standby switches, cast your mind back to your parents' TV. Did that have a standby? No. Except in very high voltage applications, it's probably better to let the whole circuit come up to operating potential together. So you apply voltage from the wall, but the heaters haven't heated the cathodes yet, so no appreciable current is being drawn. While this happening (not happening?), the reservoir caps are charged up. If they're being charged by a valve recto, it's slow going because the cathodes of the recto are just starting to warm up. And around it goes as the whole thing warms up together.

Just like your mum and dad's old TV.
 

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I mean no disrespect when asking this but how much of this info given in this thread comes from first hand experience vs what some other "internet tube gurus" copy and paste into their websites. In other words: have you experienced "cathode poisoning" or the other mentioned ill effects of "improper" stand by use? Do you believe in it because the valve wizard told you so?
I have never ever heard of this being an issue for anybody. I use my standby switch when I take a break from playing, I don't care how long, 5 minutes or 2 hours, doesn't matter. My amps are all ancient, i've had them for decades and have never had any problems of any kind relating to stand-by use. I've also never had any issues with amps that do not have stand by switches.
Much ado about nothing, IMO.
 

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I mean no disrespect when asking this but how much of this info given in this thread comes from first hand experience vs what some other "internet tube gurus" copy and paste into their websites. In other words: have you experienced "cathode poisoning" or the other mentioned ill effects of "improper" stand by use? Do you believe in it because the valve wizard told you so?
I have never ever heard of this being an issue for anybody. I use my standby switch when I take a break from playing, I don't care how long, 5 minutes or 2 hours, doesn't matter. My amps are all ancient, i've had them for decades and have never had any problems of any kind relating to stand-by use. I've also never had any issues with amps that do not have stand by switches.
Much ado about nothing, IMO.

I, personally, have never experienced it. But better safe than sorry, right? Why not just follow a few safety precautions if it COULD help your amp? Not to do so, to me, just speaks laziness.

In many amps, a standby switch is not necessary and I explained this in my first post. It often is there for the reason stated by Cyg, as well as to conform to designs of the past. Also, in response to the fellow saying there is no need to switch back into standby when switching off, I thought I addressed that as well. True, it is not necessary to do so. But, it is good practice, that way your amp is already in standby for the next time you play.

The sec/wattage ratio tip was just to give an idea, YMMV, etc. It is not an exact rule per sé, but more of a guideline.

I'm sure lots of guys have left their tube amps on for hours or even days without realizing it was in standby with no negative results. The concept of cathode poisoning is just a possibility, not a sure thing. Same with cathode stripping, and as Cyg said, more prone to high powered amps.

The point of the OP was just to list helpful tips, and possible consequences of abusing standby. Thanks for all of the input. :)
 

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The standby, if poorly implemented, can actually be bad for the amp.

If the standby leaves the filter caps drained, but has everything else hot and raring to go, then it will put enormous strain on the rectifier. The rectifier will be heated and ready to conduct, the power valves will likewise be heated and ready to draw max current, you hit the standby, and voila! Your recto is peering into the yawning depths of an empty reservoir capacitor. It attempts to charge it in one AC up-cycle, and promptly bursts its onions. One dead recto.

When thinking about standby switches, cast your mind back to your parents' TV. Did that have a standby? No. Except in very high voltage applications, it's probably better to let the whole circuit come up to operating potential together. So you apply voltage from the wall, but the heaters haven't heated the cathodes yet, so no appreciable current is being drawn. While this happening (not happening?), the reservoir caps are charged up. If they're being charged by a valve recto, it's slow going because the cathodes of the recto are just starting to warm up. And around it goes as the whole thing warms up together.

Just like your mum and dad's old TV.



Filtercaps, you discharge them by flipping the standby switch?
Not sure if joking, but this info can kill people....

I don't like forums that allow negative ratings (as opposed to giving "likes"), this would have been a contender post though...



I'm no electromagician, but I know you have to drain them manually or they might kill you (stone dead)...




How to drain filtercaps, printerfriendly version
 

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Filtercaps, you discharge them by flipping the standby switch?
Not sure if joking, but this info can kill people....

I don't like forums that allow negative ratings (as opposed to giving "likes"), this would have been a contender post though...



I'm no electromagician, but I know you have to drain them manually or they might kill you (stone dead)...




How to drain filtercaps, printerfriendly version

WTF are you talking about? My post has nothing to do with discharging filter caps. And fully charged filter caps are no danger to anybody who is not f*cking around inside their amp when they shouldn't be.

Step away from the keyboard...:shock::hmm:
 

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Filtercaps, you discharge them by flipping the standby switch?
Not sure if joking, but this info can kill people....

I don't like forums that allow negative ratings (as opposed to giving "likes"), this would have been a contender post though...



I'm no electromagician, but I know you have to drain them manually or they might kill you (stone dead)...




How to drain filtercaps, printerfriendly version

Splattle can speak for himself but yes, the caps will drain faster with the standby in Play position.
I don't think he is endorsing diving into the amp without checking though.
Methinks yore reading between the lines!
:shock:
 

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"Standby, to standby....thoraziene shuffle make everything ok"....warren haynes
 

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Well, I've always just used the volume control, even on my stand-by equipped Traynor.

Sequence: Plug in, vol off, power on, wait a few mins, vol up, play.

Shut down is reverse: Vol off, power off, un-plug.

Is this incorrect? All I know about amps is how to run them and turn 'em on and off.
What happens inside is a mystery.
 

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