2017 Historics - The Year That Wasn’t

JeffH66

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I've owned Historics from '04 and up. The '14 and up guitars I own are all a step up from the earlier versions. My '11s are going up for sale and I thought I'd have those forever...
And here I am having just purchased a 2011 57' RI. It's my first historic in a dozen years. Honestly, I can't keep all of what Gibson is doing straight; all of the spec changes and different names for what is essentially the same guitar. KISS isn't just a glam metal band from the 70's, it's a business model that Henry and Gibson should get back to, IMO.

I'll just stick with the "if it play's and feels great then its a great guitar.
 

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I'll just stick with the "if it play's and feels great then its a great guitar.
That rule doesn't change - ever. You'll drive yourself nuts following all these specs and hoping for the latest "best" version. Some of the best bands in the world made some of the best rock recordings using Norlin-era Gibsons (not that there's anything wrong with that ; )
 

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I'm currently on the hunt for a 2017 as I really dig the ambered binding and ambered gibson logo that they stopped doing for 2018. Was always something I liked about the TH's and was happy to see it on the 17's. To me those two things and the light backs on the 18's are the biggest distinctions between the 2017's and 2018's. I'm in Canada and when searching our big box store Long & McQuade I found numbers 8 7045, 8 7046 and 8 7064. They're all in Faded Tobacco finish.
https://www.long-mcquade.com/96167/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Gibson/1958-Les-Paul-Standard-Reissue-VOS-Ltd-Article--87045---Faded-Tobacco.htm#GibsonCustom-tab
 

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I'm currently on the hunt for a 2017 as I really dig the ambered binding and ambered gibson logo that they stopped doing for 2018. Was always something I liked about the TH's and was happy to see it on the 17's. To me those two things and the light backs on the 18's are the biggest distinctions between the 2017's and 2018's. I'm in Canada and when searching our big box store Long & McQuade I found numbers 8 7045, 8 7046 and 8 7064. They're all in Faded Tobacco finish.
https://www.long-mcquade.com/96167/Guitars/Electric-Guitars/Gibson/1958-Les-Paul-Standard-Reissue-VOS-Ltd-Article--87045---Faded-Tobacco.htm#GibsonCustom-tab
Really interesting post... VERY early 17 serial numbers, but more subtle flame and what appear to be pretty red backs - could just be the photos, but the back on my 17 is noticeably darker.
 

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Really interesting post... VERY early 17 serial numbers, but more subtle flame and what appear to be pretty red backs - could just be the photos, but the back on my 17 is noticeably darker.
Also easy to tell a 2017 from late in the run as they'll have the new lighter Gibson Custom sticker on the pickguard.
 

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Yes, 2017 was sort of a screwball year. To top it off, they decide to toss in Brazilian rosewood fretboards on a few towards the end of the year. I remember when you could associate various years with specific specs. Lately it's been all over the place and almost impossible to keep track of. It looks like they are trying to simplify things with the 2018 models but who knows.
 
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The 2017 R9's with the lowest serial numbers came out towards the end of 2017. Weird.
 

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The 2017 R9's with the lowest serial numbers came out towards the end of 2017. Weird.
I believe low serial numbers were reserved for special runs, like the Brazilian Rosewood guitars.
 

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Also, 2017 was definitely one of the "Good Wood Years," right up there with 1997, 2002, 2007 and 2014 (or is it '13? I can never remember).
 

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The recent 2017 Historic NGD posts made me think about what a weird year 2017 was for Gibson Historics:
  • They’re all officially called Custom Shop Les Paul Standards
  • No Year designations in the COA, but R_ in the control cavity, and the first digit in the serial number indicate the model year
  • Some were “leftovers” from 2016
  • Some were repurposed CC’s
  • Most had True Historic plastics and pickup covers (sounds like a few didn’t)
  • Some say the R6-R9 neck profiles are all based on a 59 neck profile; others disagree. But clearly the 57 and 58s were nowhere near as thick as previous years
  • Some had the gap between the fretboard and neck pickup - some didn’t
  • Some were ordered as “light backs”
  • There were “plaintops” that we’re super flamey
  • I think most agree that they were all special order runs from dealers
  • They were never acknowledged on Gibson.com
  • I don’t know if there were finishes that were only used in 2017 and not in previous years.
I’m pretty sure I got one of the first batch of the year and I’m curious who has an earlier one and who has the last of the 2017s. Maybe they’re still at Wildwood, HOG, or Breaze. Do we have anything like a registry? I’ve seen this on other forum and you don’t have to disclose the full number, if concerned about security.

Here’s mine:

8 719X
Plaintop
Dirty Lemon
59 neck profile

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Cool guitar, but that is not a plain top.
 

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I purchased one of the "Faded Orange Burst" '58 Standards from Wildwood.
"The story" goes that the Custom Shop overproduced a run of CC#29s (Tamio Okuda). They didn't know what to do with them, so Wildwood made a deal with the Custom Shop to change the pickups (and maybe some plastics) and stamp them as 1958 Standards. I will say that my research confirms what I was told byut I was denied reiteration of it in the form of email upon request. I am supposed to maintain that it's "just a story" so the boat doesn't get rocked. I probably shouldn't say much more. Maybe it's true, maybe not. Have a look for yourself.
This guitar definitely veers into the True Historic spectrum, IMO. The neck measurements are .88 - .99, definitely more in line with a '59 and exactly the same as the neck on two different Slash First '58 Standards.
I am very happy with it, regardless of the "story".
 
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What exactly are the features that define it as a repurposed CC#29?
 

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What exactly are the features that define it as a repurposed CC#29?
The original CC stamp is still faintly visible and the area has been refinished.

The gold pearl Gibson logo.

The color "Faded Orange Burst" was only available on these models. Also a dead-ringer for the "Okuda Burst"

Aged cellulose nitrate fret inlays.

The neck specs are identical to CC29.

The binding is .040 Historic Reissue cream.

'59 Historic jackplate.

I am absolutely convinced that it's a Tamio Okuda Collector's Choice #29 with a 5 digit '58 stamp. The pickups are debatable as I have already purchased a guitar from WW that had the pickup specs wrong online.
 
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