2004 Standard to Historic 59 lookalike and Custombuckers, are they worth it?

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Another combination that works well is a BB#1 in the neck for clear articulate neck tones and a 57 Classic in the bridge for a smoother bridge tone. Like many of the pickups the 57 classics have been wound to very different specs. For a bridge pickup, I'd look for one with DC resistance between 8.3-8.5k ohms, or thereabout. The nice think about this combination is that you have a good chance of finding these pickups used and may find a really good price on them.
 

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Check out Orpheus Pickups in Melbourne.
I’m a Blues/Rock player, have used most high end pickups, and David’s pickups are outstanding, local, and incredible bang for your buck.
 

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Hi , I live in Australia as well.I was a Gibson Custom Shop Dealer
.Pm me if you'd like to call me briefly.Ive owned hundreds of LPs.(Through my shop)
Pickups change the tone infinitely more than anything else.(an amp change does too of course)..But yes , it's mainly about pickups in a solid body..

I've got some boutique Jimmy Page 1973 "The Song Remains the Same" Pickups I modify....Amoung my expensive instruments, I have a cheapo $500 LP copy.With the 1973 Pageys , it sounds like Jimmy's #1...At the other extreme , a $20,000 Jimmy Page reissue (2004) sounds NOTHING like the Zeppelin instrument ( nor was it intended to ) as it has completely the wrong pickups and wrong wiring .For those curious on a sound sample of the Page #1 Replica tone, you can pm me .
 

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Hopefully not cork sniffing, but have a 2004 LP Standard with the 50s neck, nicely cracking paint, looks nice and aged, feels so nice to play. Since the Historics and newer R9s here in Australia are really pricey (can buy 3 other LPs for one 59) so thought I would spend a couple of bucks by replacing pickup rings, truss rod cover, knobs, switch plate and tip to look more 59ish, I put the adr1 style in place of the Nashville, and got rid of the BB Pros and crappy wiring it had and replaced with complete wiring from new standard 50s with Burstbuckers, made huge improvement. Would I benefit from Custombuckers or just get better wiring for Burstbuckers and maybe A3 magnet swap? I moslty like to play harder rocking blues, newer sounding ZZ Top, Joe Bonamassa, Thanks
I guess you have a fair chance to get the tone you’re looking for with BurstBuckers and the proper wiring. CustomBuckers are lower output and unpotted pickups that fit better a bluesy repertoire.
 

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I did exactly the same with my '02 standard Lefty. I replaced the wiring, added emerson PIO caps, SD Antiquity pickups, historic plastics, Faber alu stop tail and abr1 bridge. I couldn`t be happier, and the modding has been a lot of fun.

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Another combination that works well is a BB#1 in the neck for clear articulate neck tones and a 57 Classic in the bridge for a smoother bridge tone. Like many of the pickups the 57 classics have been wound to very different specs. For a bridge pickup, I'd look for one with DC resistance between 8.3-8.5k ohms, or thereabout. The nice think about this combination is that you have a good chance of finding these pickups used and may find a really good price on them.
I did consider that too, I like 57s, nice and gritty, have a but more overdive capability. I do have a 2017 Classic with 57s, its a hard choice, my 57s have a cleaner soznd with note defention, but the Burstbuckers are ballsier fatter tone, need nice inbetween lol
 

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its not just Australia that has that issue of three standards cost same as one R9, its the same in U.K.
I recently bought a standard and have done the following:
fitted aftermarket paf clones with real sandcast magnets and PE wire, german silver bases and M69 style rings, already had a abr style bridge. I really cannot hear much if any difference between it and my R0.
 
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I did exactly the same with my '02 standard Lefty. I replaced the wiring, added emerson PIO caps, SD Antiquity pickups, historic plastics, Faber alu stop tail and abr1 bridge. I couldn`t be happier, and the modding has been a lot of fun.

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Very nice, I wanna wrap over strings too, keep hearing thar it doesnt do anything but when I bought a LP 2017 Tribute it had wrap over strings, guutar tech at stire did set up and said I should gi back to standard setup, honestly I think it lost a touch of mojo, maybe I am dreamin but if the kings of tone Billy Gibbons and Joe Bonamassa wrap over tail piece, then who am I to argue.
 

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Having owned 2003/4 LPs, and a pile of RX’s, and vintage guitars, just leave those pickups and enjoy. BBs from that era are great. Maybe, change out the pots. Caps you don’t need to, factory are fine.

Just play and enjoy it.
 

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I'm in Australia also, which city do you live in?
Firstly before you spend money on pickups, get the wiring sorted. Most of those guitars have plastic wiring and 300k pots making for a muddy existence. I am able to do a full 50s wiring makeover with VIP pots and Bumblebee caps that will sonically transform your guitar BEFORE you spend big bucks on pickups. Also factory pickups are never balanced - a good luthier can balance both output and string volume to get the most from the stock pickups.
I have this setup in my R9 and the guitar just comes alive - see the pics and check Gumtree Australia.
 

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I say go ahead. I've been modding my 2012 since I got it new. It's had a lot of changes done over the years. Swapped the magnets out of the BBPro's for A2's, PIO caps, '50s wiring, then a set of Skatterbrane pickups, Converted the Fat-Taps to splits. Then finally removed it all and went Jonesy pots, jack, switch, NOS Russian caps, and SD RetroSpec Antiquities. Changed the plastics to historic as well. I probably should have bought a G0 for all the time and money I spent but I do like my 2012.
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I say, have fun with your guitar. It’s not cork sniffing to do mods. Magnet swaps, cosmetic stuff, sure why not?
Me too. I toyed with this one a little
 

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I did consider that too, I like 57s, nice and gritty, have a but more overdive capability. I do have a 2017 Classic with 57s, its a hard choice, my 57s have a cleaner soznd with note defention, but the Burstbuckers are ballsier fatter tone, need nice inbetween lol
Quite often in the 50s the Higher DCR was in the neck(Darker Pickup) and the Lower Wind( Brighter Pickup) in the Bridge.(like Jimmy Page)...There was no neck or bridge PAFs back then , there were just 'PAFs' and 2 random ones were allocated without thought...I actually prefer the 'unbalanced' set with the Darker PUP in the Neck and the Brighter PUP in the Bridge as it leads to 3 radically different sounds rather than the modern approach of trying to mitigate those differences..
 

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It’s your guitar and if you already love it and don’t *feel* the pull toward RIs. Then save yourself the $ and mod away.

As others have said though (when it comes to pickups), best to avoid Custom Buckers, especially for the money. Good ones can be really good, but bad ones are, well... bad (and most are just kinda good but not great). And they are definitely not consistent, so you never know what you’ll get. I’ve owned 6 RIs with CBs in them, only 1 set of the 6 stayed in their respective guitars. That one set is outstanding, admittedly, but regardless... that’s not good odds!

Besides, there are many boutique pickups out there that A) are better (recognizing the subjectivity of that statement) and B) are way more consistent (objectively), and C) less expensive (objectively).

And I’d avoid A3 magnets if you’re into harder classic rock. A3s can can give a thinner/softer sounding attack that doesn’t lend itself that well (IMO) to the kind of music/bands you listed.

Good luck and have fun! :cheers:
 
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You've said you wanted it to look better, so you've done that. You said you've wanted it to sound better, so you've done that. What is it you actually want now? Where do you think it's lacking? You've said the BB's were a massive improvement, but do you still wish it sounded different or better?
 
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Just a bit. I had the body beveled to the correct 20 degrees, middle pickup installed, ebony board with block markers (WITH nibs), waffle back tuners, custom headstock conversion, tortoise side markers.
What else . All for $1650.00, plus the $900 I paid for a 2007 USA 61 reissue with Maestro. I didn’t destroy an expensive or rare guitar and for $2550.00 I got a made to measure guitar that would have cost around 10k. So for me it worked out. I always wanted a Heather sg custom.
 

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