2003 R9 Braz. vs 2019 R9 Braz. What do you choose?

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braz is beautiful but anyone who is not a millionaire and spends 6-10k + on a reissue is out of his mind. no offense but that’s my opinion. you can get a vintage gibson (mid 60s SG?) or a used r9 plus a lot of change for that money
 

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I’m not sure what kind of mahogany Gibson used prior to 2013 but I can say that the post 2012 historics I’ve owned are as a whole, better in every qualitative way. So much so, i am no longer interested in buying a conversion.

spec wise, the post 2012 historics feature several notable improvements including hide glue construction and a sheathless trussrod. These improvements are well documented.

empirically too, the brazilian Rosewood used in 2017, 2108 and 2019 are some of the nicest dark brazilian boards I’ve seen and appear to be a significant step up from the variegated brazilian stumpwood used on many of the 2003 historics.

as a point of fact the term “good wood” is completely meaningless statement that cannot be substantiated. like other marketing terms designed to deceive, it seems to be bandied about by folks trying to a hock an older, less accurate, historic for more money.

another point of fact, around the time of WW2, due to mahogany shortages, Swietenia macrophylla aka Honduran mahogany was planted on the island of Fiji due to its ideal climate and strategic location. there is no such species as fijian mahogany as mahogany was not a native tree to fiji. A sugar maple tree is a sugar maple tree regardless of what country its grown in, the same is true for mahogany.
 

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Another point. if you put luxe bees and vintage style pots in a 2018 Brazilian, viola, you have a 2019 brazilian.

in fact the 2019 brazilians have non aged inlays just like the 2018 brazilians and unlike all the other 60th anniversary Les Pauls which have aged inlays. So in affect, the 2019 Brazilians are 2018 brazilians with 90 bucks worth of pot and cap upgrades and a COA that says 60th anniversary.

Afaic, the 2017, 2018 and 2019 brazilians are as close as you can get to a Burst made by Gibson
 

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Okay!

I might be on a Braz. 2003 '59 RI... for a not so crazy price...

Its nickname will be: "The Kiss" based on the figuring of the top... it has one part of grain figuring that makes it look a woman kissed it...

Will post soon more information...
 

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You can buy a fucking vintage pre-1965 Gibson with Braz board for the same price or less than either...so? :dunno:
 

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Another consideration for you if The Kiss doesn't work out -

What about an HM? or a replica?

The BRW HM uses is fantastic, same with most replica builders. You'll pay much less in most cases (not super high end replicas) and get other cool features too. Just throwing that into the mix. Best of luck either way!
 

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If you’re going to spend over $10k, you could pick up a converted 52 for a little more. These Braz prices are just ridiculous.
 

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Is braz value in people’s mind still a thing in 2020? I mean, market has been flooded again, and a braz slab is still going for 50/60$.....Wow, I must live in a bubble... :dunno:
 

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Haha im not crazy to pay 10k for it.

So now i own a 2003 59 brazilian reissue.. and it doesnt make me feel more special than playing my 2001 59 reissue. So... i think i will be selling this 2003 braz soon.. haha. And my 2001 59 will go too. Instead im gonna look for a more figured flame 2000 - 2003 (non brazilian) cherry burst 59 historic.
 

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Here is the 2003 Brazilian Rosewood '59 RI on the right next to my 2001 '59 RI on the left.

So I gave the guitar the nickname: "The Kiss". Te grainspot looks exactly like a kiss!

 
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.... Instead im gonna look for a more figured flame 2000 - 2003 (non brazilian) cherry burst 59 historic.
if you are looking for more figured flames. Post 2012 (13-14), there are plenty of big flames, do a search for NGD between those two years and you will find mostly highly flamed R9s (and several R8s in the mix).
 

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I will be selling both of them soon, because I want a 2000 - 2003 (non- Braz) '59 Historic with a chevron flame top.

I dont feel comfortable gigging such an expensive guitar.
 

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I will be selling both of them soon, because I want a 2000 - 2003 (non- Braz) '59 Historic with a chevron flame top.

I dont feel comfortable gigging such an expensive guitar.
I would keep those. They have perfect, authentic looking flame.
 

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They don’t compare. Gibson confirmed that there are no official 2019 Braz - only Bolivian and Indian rosewood.
A small run had a Braz board but these are simply leftover necks (almost b stock) from 2017/18
This is wrong. There is no Gibson run in braz 60th but there are 13 2019 60th anniversary out there.
1 was made by Gibson for NAMM
12 were dealer runs.
 

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I’d go with a 17,18,19 any day over the 03. Better specs and build and custombuckers. No truss today condom I

Unless the 03 really speaks to you. IMO they aren’t worth the premium some sellers place in them
 

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I’d go with a 17,18,19 any day over the 03. Better specs and build and custombuckers. No truss today condom I

Unless the 03 really speaks to you. IMO they aren’t worth the premium some sellers place in them
My friend, the choice has been made already some time ago and Im glad I went with the 2003.

 


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