1957 Custom Shop Black Beauty LPB7 2002 or 2012?

malibu91

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Hi,

I just bought the above guitar. It does not come with case candy so I am trying to figure out whether it is a 2002 or 2012.
The only serial number that I could make out in the photos when I bought it are 7 2xxx.

It comes in the black Gibson Custom Star case, so I guess post Custom Art Historic period.

Is there any other way I can tell whether it is from 2002 or 2012, because I have read that the "newer" cases were made available from 2002/2003?

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Did Gibson make any in 2012 because of the whole wood fiasco? I thought they didn't.
 

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I think '12 would be richlite. :hmm:
 

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Like @PierM said, pics will help. In particular, the back of the headstock and the alignment of the tuners should tell us whether it's a 2002 or 2012. If they are aligned parallel to the long axis of the neck, then that would indicate 2002; if they are aligned with each other (and not parallel to the neck), that points to 2003 or later (i.e., 2012 in this case).

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'02 may have Grovers vs Kluson wafflebacks on a '12. I don't think they were using the wafflebacks yet in '02.
 
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Reissues always with ebony. Richlite only for regular production Customs, or M2M.
 

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Wow you guys rock!

It has Gibson stamped pots and ceramc disc caps.
Pot numbers are 12-440-70500
It has a wired abr1.
Fretboard is ebony.

I'd say the box is a red herring.
Not sure about the Gibson Custom star case.


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Awesome, thanks she should play well with my 2000 R6 then!

What makes it so obvious? Is it the tuners?
 

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Awesome, thanks she should play well with my 2000 R6 then!

What makes it so obvious? Is it the tuners?
First of all, 2012 BB57 are extremely rare, if non-existent.

Then it's tuners; early 2000 were using grovers, late 2000 deluxe gibson tuners, then in 2014 they went back to Kluson Waffleback....like the originals, but with wrong metal keystone.

Also wiring; pots on late 2000 were unmarked CTS instead Gibson stamped pots. Caps on late 2000 are bumble bee or black beauty reissues, instead the ceramic discs.

Also I guess you have a wired ABR1 (a little wire it's being used to retain the saddles when removing strings).

There are more cues, but they are on the other side of the guitar. :)
 

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First of all, 2012 BB57 are extremely rare, if non-existent.

Then it's tuners; early 2000 were using grovers, late 2000 deluxe gibson tuners, then in 2014 they went back to Kluson Waffleback....like the originals, but with wrong metal keystone.

Also wiring; pots on late 2000 were unmarked CTS instead Gibson stamped pots. Caps on late 2000 are bumble bee or black beauty reissues, instead the ceramic discs.

Also I guess you have a wired ABR1 (a little wire it's being used to retain the saddles when removing strings).

There are more cues, but they are on the other side of the guitar. :)
Nailed it.
 

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All you need now is PIO caps and really open up the tone on it!
 

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There are more cues, but they are on the other side of the guitar. :)
OK. I get the hint lol ;)

I finally found the time last night to pull this bad girl apart and give her a thorough clean.
She was extremely grotty with dust and green tarnishing of the hardware.
The bridge was also on backwards.
I took lots of shots for the trainspotters (that includes me).

The only thing I dislike about this Lester is the light stop tailpiece.
It feels light as plastic.

Before:

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After ready for strings and setup: :thumb:

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Needless to say, I'm really happy with how she's cleaned up.
 

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I don't think the black Gibson custom star cases came out until '06'. A '02' LPB7 would have the historic custom art case.
 

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I don't think the black Gibson custom star cases came out until '06'. A '02' LPB7 would have the historic custom art case.
Good point. Probably not the original case that came with that guitar.
 

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Looks nice! Congrats!

Most people prefer the lightweight aluminum tailpiece, but if don't and want to change it out, I've got a gold one from the '70s (I think) with a similar amount of wear as yours that I've just never bothered to list for sale. Personally, I would keep the lightweight one on there. :)
 




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