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So.... if you had a new manager who came in and told you every thing you have been doing, you have been doing it wrong.... for the last five years, including many successes, near universal praise, with corresponding significant raises and bonuses and promotions....

How would you take it?

Would you beg to differ?

Would you refuse their attempts to 'school' you? (Doing it their way might end up reflecting negatively on you, ultimately).

Would you suck it up and comply, even if you feel what you are being asked to do is not the correct way to do things?

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New manager is very passive/aggressive. Super nice when she needs something (she is new, so really does not understand how things are done). But condemning in her criticisms. Particularly, she is making these criticisms when the rest of the team is not present.

She is questioning my abilities/skills/work ethic to people above our heads.

She is using examples of how things should be done with dates from 2008 and 2012.

She worked for this agency previously in a similar position to mine.

She was also not carried over when the new company that we now work for was awarded the current contract.

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Some relevant facts: we have had 5 managers in 5 years with our current tech lead as acting manager in gaps between each of the 5 'permanent' managers.

The ground is constantly shifting under our feet. That is normal, but nothing stays the same for very long.

The current work climate is in a period of great uncertainty.

I have held a senior level title for almost 12 years. This is not my first job out of college.

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If employment stability was more like it has been before the beginning of the year, I would be raising a grievance. With someone.

:hmm:

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So.... if you had a new manager who came in and told you every thing you have been doing, you have been doing it wrong.... for the last five years, including many successes, near universal praise, with corresponding significant raises and bonuses and promotions....

How would you take it?

Would you beg to differ?

Would you refuse their attempts to 'school' you? (Doing it their way might end up reflecting negatively on you, ultimately).

Would you suck it up and comply, even if you feel what you are being asked to do is not the correct way to do things?

**************

New manager is very passive/aggressive. Super nice when she needs something (she is new, so really does not understand how things are done). But condemning in her criticisms. Particularly, she is making these criticisms when the rest of the team is not present.

She is questioning my abilities/skills/work ethic to people above our heads.

She is using examples of how things should be done with dates from 2008 and 2012.

She worked for this agency previously in a similar position to mine.

She was also not carried over when the new company that we now work for was awarded the current contract.

**************

Some relevant facts: we have had 5 managers in 5 years with our current tech lead as acting manager in gaps between each of the 5 'permanent' managers.

The ground is constantly shifting under our feet. That is normal, but nothing stays the same for very long.

The current work climate is in a period of great uncertainty.

I have held a senior level title for almost 12 years. This is not my first job out of college.

*************

If employment stability was more like it has been before the beginning of the year, I would be raising a grievance. With someone.

:hmm:

Venting. Comments welcome.

That post makes me so glad I don't have to face that bullshit anymore. There are a lot of fucked up managers in that world. Fuk 'em all.
 

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When I was working and that kind of crap starting happening, I just told my guys to be cool, hang in there, because change is constant.

We saw a lot of dickhead managers come and go for pretty much the same thing you described.
 

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When I was working and that kind of crap starting happening, I just told my guys to be cool, hang in there, because change is constant.

We saw a lot of dickhead managers come and go for pretty much the same thing you described.

Thank you, Mike.

Sound advice.

We just got out of a previously scheduled meeting where the new manager fumbled through until getting to the tech lead (who has very little patience and a very sharp tongue - also female).

The tech lead basically said, "WTF are you doing? This is not what this meeting is supposed to be for." (To the new manager).

I was kind of shocked.

I need to talk to my senior developer and get some insight to sh!t going on behind the scenes. :eek2:

Oh, and by the way, the new mgr used the meeting to tell me something else that she feels I am doing wrong and could I please correct it and she told me before (she did not), yada, yada. :lol:

I tried to suck it up. I have made the changes she requested and I also know that we cannot do what she is asking, in some instances. So, I am prepared to give her an update in the morning scrum.
 

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So.... if you had a new manager who came in and told you every thing you have been doing, you have been doing it wrong.... for the last five years, including many successes, near universal praise, with corresponding significant raises and bonuses and promotions....

How would you take it?

Would you beg to differ?

Would you refuse their attempts to 'school' you? (Doing it their way might end up reflecting negatively on you, ultimately).

Would you suck it up and comply, even if you feel what you are being asked to do is not the correct way to do things?

**************

New manager is very passive/aggressive. Super nice when she needs something (she is new, so really does not understand how things are done). But condemning in her criticisms. Particularly, she is making these criticisms when the rest of the team is not present.

She is questioning my abilities/skills/work ethic to people above our heads.

She is using examples of how things should be done with dates from 2008 and 2012.

She worked for this agency previously in a similar position to mine.

She was also not carried over when the new company that we now work for was awarded the current contract.

**************

Some relevant facts: we have had 5 managers in 5 years with our current tech lead as acting manager in gaps between each of the 5 'permanent' managers.

The ground is constantly shifting under our feet. That is normal, but nothing stays the same for very long.

The current work climate is in a period of great uncertainty.

I have held a senior level title for almost 12 years. This is not my first job out of college.

*************

If employment stability was more like it has been before the beginning of the year, I would be raising a grievance. With someone.

:hmm:

Venting. Comments welcome.

In my experience most women can’t function in a work environment without drama and conflict. They’ll create it if none exists when they get there. I’m sure you get everything in writing and document all these wonderful changes so you can praise her for any future “success.”
 

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Yea and keep a journal with dates and times when she directed you to change things. Better yet, tell her if that’s what she wants, email it do you with the details she wants incorporated.

Otherwise, when the shit blows up I guarantee she’ll be looking for a scapegoat.
 

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Chicks in management positions… rarely successful….

As Lungo said, they need drama too much.

Keep good records, get as many of her stupid directions in writing, hold tight.

If she is shitting you this much already you can bet your ass she is also shitting plenty of others.

Most chicks - not all but most - just can’t do good management of competent people.

Cheers.
 

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In my experience most women can’t function in a work environment without drama and conflict. They’ll create it if none exists when they get there. I’m sure you get everything in writing and document all these wonderful changes so you can praise her for any future “success.”


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Chicks in management positions… rarely successful….

As Lungo said, they need drama too much.

Keep good records, get as many of her stupid directions in writing, hold tight.

If she is shitting you this much already you can bet your ass she is also shitting plenty of others.

Most chicks - not all but most - just can’t do good management of competent people.

Cheers.
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I would think you can feign compliance and cooperation, and give her cues that she’s calling the shots.
If that satisfies her, just keep taking care of business - and keep track of it all privately.

If your bosses come and go with regularity, just bide your time.
 

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Thank you, all!

In my experience most women can’t function in a work environment without drama and conflict. They’ll create it if none exists when they get there. I’m sure you get everything in writing and document all these wonderful changes so you can praise her for any future “success.”

We had a female manager, previously 2021 - 2022 who was just fantastic.

The last few weeks, the hens in the room have been trying to establish a pecking order. The men have been staying silent.

Last week, one hen had her contract come to an end. And the other two were on vacation.

That left the new manager free to zero in on me.

This morning, she tried to draw in a senior manager to she how she was correcting my previously poor work. The senior manager dismissed it and excused herself.

BTW - I already shared a document with her created by myself and another manager. She put her name at the top and announced, "I have created this document and I want everyone to start using it..."

I took note.

Yea and keep a journal with dates and times when she directed you to change things. Better yet, tell her if that’s what she wants, email it do you with the details she wants incorporated.

Otherwise, when the shit blows up I guarantee she’ll be looking for a scapegoat.

Our work gets assigned in a work interface. Her name and the updates and changes she makes are archived.

I have a local copy of the old documents she sent to me (dated 2008 and 2012) as examples of how I should do my work.

Chicks in management positions… rarely successful….

As Lungo said, they need drama too much.

Keep good records, get as many of her stupid directions in writing, hold tight.

If she is shitting you this much already you can bet your ass she is also shitting plenty of others.

Most chicks - not all but most - just can’t do good management of competent people.

Cheers.

Others are grumbling.

I have not yet gone up the ladder, but she is potentially making our company look bad to the people we are contracted to work for, and she has been butting heads with contractors from other companies.

It would also look bad if our company let her go right away, too. She is billable.

And so it goes.
 

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How do these women get these jobs?
H.R. really that fucking clueless?

Finding qualified candidates is difficult.

When your work place is a clusterfuck of chaos, it is hard to retain the good ones.

At first I was wondering if it was OK that I am probably smarter then she is.

Then I thought, "oh noooooo.... " :laugh2:

The wicked tongued tech lead is going to eat her for lunch, soon.

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Thank you, all!



We had a female manager, previously 2021 - 2022 who was just fantastic.

The last few weeks, the hens in the room have been trying to establish a pecking order. The men have been staying silent.

Last week, one hen had her contract come to an end. And the other two were on vacation.

That left the new manager free to zero in on me.

This morning, she tried to draw in a senior manager to she how she was correcting my previously poor work. The senior manager dismissed it and excused herself.

BTW - I already shared a document with her created by myself and another manager. She put her name at the top and announced, "I have created this document and I want everyone to start using it..."

I took note.



Our work gets assigned in a work interface. Her name and the updates and changes she makes are archived.

I have a local copy of the old documents she sent to me (dated 2008 and 2012) as examples of how I should do my work.



Others are grumbling.

I have not yet gone up the ladder, but she is potentially making our company look bad to the people we are contracted to work for, and she has been butting heads with contractors from other companies.

It would also look bad if our company let her go right away, too. She is billable.

And so it goes.
You do not have to let people take credit for your work.
And you don't have to tolerate other people's professional jealousy.
You have skills they don't. That counts for a lot.
 

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How do these women get these jobs?
H.R. really that fucking clueless?
As a general rule, yes.

Once upon time HR was a genuine profession with very skilled practitioners. There are still a few of them around.

But generally now it is a last resort role for otherwise unemployable, young, ideologically driven and lazy blond women.

cheers.
 

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You do not have to let people take credit for your work.
And you don't have to tolerate other people's professional jealousy.
You have skills they don't. That counts for a lot.

I still have several cards to play.

I am holding them to see where we go.

I am trying to ask questions I already know the answer to instead of 'telling' her how I think it should be done.

I am doing this in front of others as much as I can, so they are witnessing it, too.

We are doing a deployment over the weekend. It will involve overtime, which is very sensitive at this point. I am asking for very specific instructions and expectations. Others will be involved and it will impact them if we do things differently than our usual process.

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One problem is, I have been asked by our tech lead and other supervisors to stream line my process as much as possible over the last few years.

I was reluctant, but submitted examples which were approved by them.

New manager sees a very abbreviated process (it isn't really, but it looks that way, much more simple from the outside looking in...) and is alarmed by what she sees.

Add the fact that many of the people who asked for the process to be simplified have moved on.

We have a newer senior manager that doesn't understand why the process has been simplified, also. The last two senior managers approved the process simplification, though. :dunno:

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As we re-complicate the process, people are going to start asking why it is taking so long to complete what were previously seen as simple tasks.
 
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Interesting morning.

The two hens who were on vacation are trying to rein in the new manager.

The new manager is deferring to their guidance more.

There is some external pressure to tighten up our process (not just me) and the new manager seems to have been focusing that attention on me in the absence of the other hens.

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We did a demo of some critical new development that we have been under great pressure to complete. And now it has been announced that the person who requested the new work is leaving. :lol: :laugh2: :lol::laugh2::lol:

S.N.A.F.U.
 

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