1958 LP with leaning ABR-1 bridge

  • Thread starter fabpal
  • Start date
  • This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links like Ebay, Amazon, and others.

Brazilnut

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2012
Messages
7,489
Reaction score
15,915
You’ll get absolutely no argument from me about the ineffectiveness of the Lifton-style cases.

I had two of them, and gladly sold them for cases that will actually protect the guitars. I don’t think it cost me a penny in the end.

I don’t understand how people get so hung up on “period correct” this and that, that they will even use shit cases to protect stupidly expensive guitars?

My advice on cases?
If you have one of these “desirable” Lifton cases, sell that son of a bitch to the highest bidder and replace it with a new Gibson Protector case.
Glad I never could afford one, or the guitar that came in it, either. Custom Shop LPs seem like beautiful examples of the luthier's art, but way too expensive for a hack like me.
 

CB91710

Not Michael Sankar
Double Platinum Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2019
Messages
34,340
Reaction score
117,847
My 2021 R8....

20250418_180328.jpg
 

scgarman

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2022
Messages
346
Reaction score
586
Eh ...
Don't let your playing skill (or lack thereof) keep you from buying cool guitars.
I've owned some very nice gear, and I'm a two-string power chord hack.
Or...let your wife buy them for you as a Christmas present. She bought me the LP Custom as a gift. Perhaps the most expensive thing anyone ever bought me for Christmas. Usually I just get a nice box of cigars or a bottle of Scotch whisky.
 

CB91710

Not Michael Sankar
Double Platinum Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2019
Messages
34,340
Reaction score
117,847
See how both sides of the thumb wheel (the side facing the pickup ring and the side facing the stop tail), are the same distance from the top?… That’s perfectly correct.
It's funny because there is an optical illusion going on with the top that makes it appear to lean slightly when viewed in person, but the camera does indeed show that it is straight.
 

fabpal

Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
93
Reaction score
87
Glad I never could afford one, or the guitar that came in it, either. Custom Shop LPs seem like beautiful examples of the luthier's art, but way too expensive for a hack like me.
I am sure you can. It depends on your priorities and your risk inclination. You can also pay in instalments. Your're probably too wise to buy such an expensive toy. The law of dimishing returns and the cost / benefit ratio do not play in favor of such a purchase.
 

fabpal

Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
93
Reaction score
87
I wish my guitar were like this. The bridge must run parallel to the fretboard and the strings. Hence the bridge holes are drilled accordingly after the neck is glued in. But here's my two cents on your set up: I would not keep the bridge that high. I would also raise the tailpiece a little after lowering the bridge. But each of these reissue guitars is different within a certain margin of tolerance. Like back in the day.
 
Last edited:

Paul46

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2008
Messages
1,091
Reaction score
1,364
With the bridge removed, does the thumbwheel wobble on the threaded post? Sometimes the tolerances can be well off.
 

fabpal

Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
93
Reaction score
87
With the bridge removed, does the thumbwheel wobble on the threaded post? Sometimes the tolerances can be well off.
I 've just received it. But I will definely have to try, if I keep it.
 

Leee

Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice
Platinum Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2021
Messages
20,297
Reaction score
62,055
… if I keep it.

I hate to see this.
Especially if the guitar ain’t broke.

Your leaning posts may have been the result of nothing more than the guitar being bumped around while in shipment.

If new posts and a couple extra thumbwheels are all it needs?
Then get ‘em.
Fix it - and live happily ever after.

If you pay for it outta pocket, because the dealer who took your money is a dickhead, fine.
Take charge, take control, make it right.

Like I said, if the guitar itself is damaged, then it’s Gibson’s problem.
Let them fuck with no-account dickhead dealers on their end.

If a pair of posts is all it needs?
Buy ‘em.
Plenty of recommendations from the smart guys here.

Even if the wood is damaged, there’s also a modification to drill the post holes deeper and use longer posts made of stronger materials.

There’s the double-nutting thumbwheel trick, which ain’t a bad idea anyway.

Do you know a good luthier in your area?
If not, where do you live?
Someone here might know if one nearby.

*******

All that being said, if you’re still pissed off over the hassles to make a great guitar right, I get it.
Get your money back, and try again.
 

fabpal

Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
93
Reaction score
87
I hate to see this.
Especially if the guitar ain’t broke.

Your leaning posts may have been the result of nothing more than the guitar being bumped around while in shipment.

If new posts and a couple extra thumbwheels are all it needs?
Then get ‘em.
Fix it - and live happily ever after.

If you pay for it outta pocket, because the dealer who took your money is a dickhead, fine.
Take charge, take control, make it right.

Like I said, if the guitar itself is damaged, then it’s Gibson’s problem.
Let them fuck with no-account dickhead dealers on their end.

If a pair of posts is all it needs?
Buy ‘em.
Plenty of recommendations from the smart guys here.

Even if the wood is damaged, there’s also a modification to drill the post holes deeper and use longer posts made of stronger materials.

There’s the double-nutting thumbwheel trick, which ain’t a bad idea anyway.

Do you know a good luthier in your area?
If not, where do you live?
Someone here might know if one nearby.

*******

All that being said, if you’re still pissed off over the hassles to make a great guitar right, I get it.
Get your money back, and try again.
I am now going to raise a ticket with Gibson and talk with the owner of the online shop I bought it from. It's about 200 miles from where I live so I am not going to drive there. Yes, I know some good luthiers in the area, but I am not going to spend anything on a brand new guitar. Shipping was insured. I say that the guitar as of today plays fine and the bridge is parallel to the strings as it should be. So my thinking is that it's really about the way the neck was glued in. And then they had to adjust the bridge angle to compensate it. I noticed some weirdness with the neck. Like there was too much relief when I opened the case for the first time. Now it looks like the relief decreased. Probably a lot of humidity during the transport. And yes, nearly every guitar I received had the carton box torn apart. This is what couriers do nowadays. Interestingly, the box of this one was perfect. I still have some doubts about what I found inside the box.
 

fabpal

Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
93
Reaction score
87
Strings are too close to pickup pole pieces. This will likely affect string vibration. At least from those pics it appears that way. Best of luck with whatever outcome.
I am actually raising it a little more for better playability.
 

Tim Plains

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
14,606
Reaction score
12,898
Someone else may have mentioned this, I didn't read all of the replies, take the bridge off and put it back on before you do anything. This happened to me once, the bridge was just on crooked after I restrung the guitar, the posts were fine/straight.
 

fabpal

Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2025
Messages
93
Reaction score
87
Someone else may have mentioned this, I didn't read all of the replies, take the bridge off and put it back on before you do anything. This happened to me once, the bridge was just on crooked after I restrung the guitar, the posts were fine/straight.
When I find some time, I'll do exactly this and then top wrap. Now it's not that bad. I think part of the issue was just some sort of optical illusion depending from on the perspective you look at it.
Another factor is that it needs to be parallel to the strings and so it may vary according to how the neck was glued in. A tiny change in the neck angle can be quite visible on the bridge angle. After all, this is how Gibson used to build those guitars back in the day.
 
Last edited:

Gpass1

Member
Joined
Feb 19, 2022
Messages
53
Reaction score
74
Hi There,

I am new here and relatively new to Gibson LP.

I got a 1958 Les Paul and noticed the bridge is leaning towards the pickups. I understand that a certain degree is expected, but it looks like a little too much angled.

This how I received it from the online shop.

View attachment 872745

This shows after I tried lowering the action and raising the tailpiece to reduce tension.

View attachment 872747
Apart from this, the guitar sounds good and plays well.

Is it the inclination (angle) more than it is supposed to be? Anything to be worried about?
What's the ideal setup?

Thanks in advance for your feedback and advice
You can change the bent posts. They can be found at StewMac.com.
 

Latest Threads



Top
')