Am I the only one that can't play any full songs and basically only plays leads over backing tracks or in a band situation?

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If you’re playing for fun, cool.
In a band that won’t always work.as you’ve done it in a band, it at least kind of worked, but some bands would never let you join.

I know lots of parts of songs, probably more than whole songs, but in a band setting I would learn more

So it depends on the end goal.
 

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I’m basically the polar opposite. 90% of my playing time is spent learning new solos and lead parts. I have always struggled with working on exercises as a way to improve technique or just working scales/chords up and down endlessly to figure out theory. Instead, I just learn new pieces constantly and find stuff that will force me to work on my playing/technique/theory

Anything I learn starts with what is the rhythm section doing? What key(s) is it in/what are the chord changes or implied harmony? What’s the timing, what are the drums and bass doing that could be important? From there it’s usually learn whatever the piece is note for note as recorded, figure out what I need to work on technique wise to get it down then find ways to add my own flavour.

I’m currently working through a lot of the new (2024 is still new right?) Judas Priest record. Richie Failkner’s playing is a lot of fun and it’s been a blast to pick through it.

YMMV as always. The most important thing is to find what makes you wanna pick up the instrument.
 

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I'm about the same way but probably even less skilled than you are. And that's OK. If playing AC/DC riffs makes me happy, them I'm happy. So what?

I practice as much as I want to. It's not enough to generally improve my playing, and that's an unfortunate fact, but I'm accepting the consequences of my own habits or lack thereof with eyes wide open.

I would also ask yourself if you're exploring all avenues within your lead playing?

Are you working in just the pentatonics? If so, are you moving through all 5 positions? Moving between Maj & min?

Are you playing the changes and are you aware of the notes/intervals you're hitting? Or is it just using common patterns that have proven to have safe landing spots.

Are you exploring the use of chord tones / arpeggios, double-stops, sliding sixths, octaves, etc. to spice things up?

Are you employing modes (depending on the chords presented in the song)?


I found that I was just falling into the rut of playing comfortable patterns that sounded fine but I had almost forgotten the theory behind them, the notes/intervals employed and why they worked. I started to slow down and push myself to relearn those things which not only improved lead exploration but then also made rhythm playing much more interesting since it illuminated the close relationship between the chords and great lead lines.

Maybe we should put a band together.
I’m a rhythm & riffs guy, 100%.

@TXOldRedRocker and @cmjohnson nailed it.

I’m more than happy to stand back by the drum kit, opposite of the bass player.
I’m perfectly at home in the engine room.

You're not alone. At age 83, I play today much in the manner that you describe. I keep my playing as simple as you do and it's great enjoyment for me. +-74 years ago music was quite a bit more complex than today's offerings. Those days I used chord method books or sheet music to identify what my ears were hearing and figured out how thiey would “layout” on the fingerboard.

I don't hear any modern songs that demand my attention nor the urge to sit down and learn any current music. One thing I'm doing now is playing using minor keys or chord progressions that move from minor to major and back again… It's great ear training and your soloing techniques will definatley benefit from it. I use Led Zeppelin's music where minor keys are concerned i.e. Immigrant Song, Archilles Last Stand are two examples. They are simple chord progression, so learning a few transpositions of those chords will also help develop your soloing technique and just may stimulate your imagination in new playing directions.

Just a few thoughts for anyone thinking that they are not advancing their playing.

Classicplayer

I get it. I'm busy with paid work and related creative practice, have a young family and live in a small house with neighbours that share walls. I absolutely love picking up the guitar and playing around unplugged at the end of the day, but that's rarely a great time to try learn something new. I've got to make time for that. To that end, I'm failing miserably!

Anyway, what I've been trying to do is learn things bit by bit. I subscribed to Sheet Music Direct and put together a playlist of sorts so I can learn parts as the mood takes me. It's cheaper than Netflix and much more enjoyable, especially when I suddenly realise I can actually do a convincing emulation of something I admire.

This was me for probably my first 15 years of playing. Not even joking. I only knew riffs, some licks, etc. But I never actually bothered to learn a single song from start to finish.

But then I decided to get serious and actually learn those songs I enjoy and then it was like a muscle that got stronger because it becomes easier and easier to learn new songs after

I've owned and played guitars on and off since 1965 and there isn't a song I know completely. I still manage to enjoy playing. Sometimes I manage to come up with a pretty tasty chord progression. Tomorrow it's gone.

If you’re playing for fun, cool.
In a band that won’t always work.as you’ve done it in a band, it at least kind of worked, but some bands would never let you join.

I know lots of parts of songs, probably more than whole songs, but in a band setting I would learn more

So it depends on the end goal.
So many responses....
I can't possibly respind to all of them.

Today I actually busted out my old Lynrrd Skynyrd songbook and went to town playing a buch of full tunes.

Then I grabbed some other books I had laying around, mostly just basic chords and stuff, but it was fun.

After that I started playing Jailbreak by Thin Lizzy by ear, maybe I can play some rhythm?
 

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Not the most popular, but still one of my favorites by Thin Lizzy. Easy riffs.

Hollywood (Down On Your Luck)

 

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Not the most popular, but still one of my favorites by Thin Lizzy. Easy riffs.

Hollywood (Down On Your Luck)

Thanks, stuff like that is fun and easy to play.
 

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I play 30 minutes a night to get over the stresses of the day. Figured out a while back I don't need guitar to add to those stresses, I need it to relieve them. When I first picked it back up, I focused on the backing track thing. Then I shifted to playing rhythm with songs and found the relaxation I was seeking. I guess I'm still there, but I'm having a lot of fun.

Watching The Masters reminds me I'm no golfer.
Watching "The Wrecking Crew" was a great reminder that I'm no musician.

My wife loves listening to me play from the next room. Comments on how good I've gotten.
That's about as far as it's gonna go for me and I'm good with that.
 

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if you handed me a guitar and said 'play something' you'll get Folsom Prison Blues 99% of the time.

and ... that's pretty much it. Tell me 1-5-4 in A and standard 12 bar blues and I can do it.

Ok, so I sort of know "Running On Empty" but that break down to C# (?) gets me every time. I just let my buddy handle that and I pick back up again on the D chord.

I've barely been playing since last autumn.
 

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If you can't play rhythm there's no song.
That is very true
I play 30 minutes a night to get over the stresses of the day. Figured out a while back I don't need guitar to add to those stresses, I need it to relieve them. When I first picked it back up, I focused on the backing track thing. Then I shifted to playing rhythm with songs and found the relaxation I was seeking. I guess I'm still there, but I'm having a lot of fun.

Watching The Masters reminds me I'm no golfer.
Watching "The Wrecking Crew" was a great reminder that I'm no musician.

My wife loves listening to me play from the next room. Comments on how good I've gotten.
That's about as far as it's gonna go for me and I'm good with that.
That sounds a lot like me
if you handed me a guitar and said 'play something' you'll get Folsom Prison Blues 99% of the time.

and ... that's pretty much it. Tell me 1-5-4 in A and standard 12 bar blues and I can do it.

Ok, so I sort of know "Running On Empty" but that break down to C# (?) gets me every time. I just let my buddy handle that and I pick back up again on the D chord.

I've barely been playing since last autumn.
I definitely made my self sound like I can't play chords.
I do play chords, just not as often as lead.
Just yesterday I started relearning some songs I used to play, but I will always enjoy improving more whether it be chords or leads
 

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I’ve been telling people for 30 years that I am a two-string power chord hack.
 

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