Your Help Needed: Brazilian Board Content

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  1. Robert Parker

    Robert Parker Senior Member

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    Definitely the middle. I wouldn't pay Gibson prices, but I'm a sucker for cool, interesting grain. A uniform black is just boring to me, even in Ebony. That being said, if want to know for sure the piece I chose didn't have checks, cracks, etc. because of abnormalities in the grain.
     
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  2. BDW60

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    Of those, I would take middle for sure
     
  3. djem

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    Me too - #3.

    Then #2 and #5.

    #1 and #4 - no way.
     
  4. richie6

    richie6 Senior Member

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    not crazy about any of them but another vote for the middle one.
    after that the first one from right would be my second choice
     
  5. BACzero

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    My personal taste leans toward the middle one. I love the contrast between the light and dark grains in darker woods like that. Oh yeah, it'd look great on the fingerboard of a Les Paul hanging on my wall. :thumbs:
     
  6. Slater529

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    Personally not a fan of stump wood... I'd pass on 'em all.
     
  7. moreles

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    I agree w/ C Becker, and most makers across the history of the guitar do, too, because a straight grained fretboard is most stable and that's what you want in a guitar neck. The second from the left is closest to this ideal. Sure, a fussy grained board will probably -- probably -- remain flat and straight, but decorative BRW (highly grained) is not an ideal material for a fretboard and represents wrongly prioritizing cosmetics over function. But that's popular right now.
     
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  8. RAG7890

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    Sorry but I disagree on the stability issue.

    I’ve had them all & never had an issue with any Board. I’ve also had Flat Sawn & again no issue.

    IMHO it is not a case of cosmetic over function, it’s generally been a case of what is available.

    In many cases the BRW used is so old it is well & truly stable.

    :cheers2:
     
  9. fretnot

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    2 of the Brazilian LP's I've had have needed refrets because the board moved, and one needed a neck heat. Are they because of the "stumpy" Braz? Who knows. The fact that they bind and fret the boards before they are installed definitely doesn't help.
     
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  10. RAG7890

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    IMHO this was probably due to bad workmanship / method, although the 2003's & 2001 I had never had any issues while I owned them.

    But let's not forget you can have issues from time to time regardless of who made the Guitar or what was used.

    A blanket statement that BRW Stump Wood is unstable is nonsense though..............IMHO.

    But hey, I don't have these issues because Gibson doesn't make my Guitars. ;)

    :cheers2:
     
  11. ARandall

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    I'd put it down to a less than great neck blank more than the fretboard. I can't imagine a curved sliver measuring 6mm at the thickest being able to overwhelm a neck which is 3 times the depth and many times the volume if the neck was solid.
     
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    You all know, don't you, that boards can be made out of striped or figured ebony. Bob Taylor of Taylor guitars discovered that 80% to 90% of all ebony cut is left to rot because it is not uniformly black. Then he found that the ebony that is striped or figured sounds just as good as the black stuff, and can be had much cheaper. I have a "T" type guitar with a striped ebony veneer on the body top. It's beautiful.
     
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  13. markguitar

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    I’ve had thousands of reissues from all years thru my hands and store. And the only ones I’ve ever had any fret or fingerboard issues with have been ‘03 Brazilian that have figured - swirly grain boards. Many of the ‘03’s had nice and straight grain boards and I’ve not had an issue with them. So say what you will but there’s plenty of proof to me that a straight grain fingerboard is always preferred and insures a much lower risk of issues. Most builders and repair techs will say the same.
     
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  14. RAG7890

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    Mark how many Stump Wood BRW Boards have you had issues with?

    I think I’ve owned about 8 or 9 ‘03’s & from memory about 4 were Stump Wood.

    I never had an issue with any of them.

    Some of my Custom Guitars have both Stump & Straight, no issues. One of my Replicas looked Flat Sawn, again no issues.

    Are we talking workmanship issues or the Tree uprooting & going for a walk.

    Do you have any pics?

    I’ll dig mine out & post on the weekend.

    Cheers, Rudi.

    P.S. Not doubting you since you’ve had way more than I but based on my personal experience that also includes sourcing & buying Lumber I have not seen it on mine.
     
  15. RAG7890

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    While we're all talking about BRW Boards & those wanting dark / no stripes etc., so they can get their Vintage vibe on, enjoy this Burst, care of another place on the Internet. ;)

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    :cheers2:
     
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  16. RAG7890

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    Look what I just stumped up. :)

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    Glorious IMHO.

    :cheers2:
     
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  17. Slater529

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    To each his own.
     
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    Are all those Wildwood custom Braz ordering customers getting a CITES cert. for their BOARDS?
     
  19. RAG7890

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    Nope............I think this has been clarified a few pages back, form memory, Bernard.

    USA only market.

    Cheers, Rudi
     
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    Rudi, Braz sold in the US also needs a CITES cert like any other Rosewood nowadays.

    Anyone contacting the Fish & Wildlife guys?
     

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