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Discussion in 'Other Epiphones' started by beerguy, Feb 15, 2014.
Well I'll be avoiding your sandbox, sounds like someone's pissed in it.
Beer Guy I have a 1999 Pre Production Prototype Epiphone/Gibson Mo'Baby FOR SALE in mint condition verifiable by its serial # U99010004, the color is Sea Foam green and this color was only used on a few of these prototypes and was never used on any of the production guitars. Mo'Baby's were only made in Red or Black. Sea Foam Green was not used on any of the other Moderns from 1997 to 2001. If you are interested, you can e-mail me at email@example.com
Yes, this is the one, I bought it and had a friend of mine from Gibson inspect it and he confirms that it was of 4 pre production prototypes as I have stated above.
I saw that green one on fleabay a few weeks ago, same one ?
Gibson Epiphone Moderne MO' Baby Electric Guitar RARE with Integral Speaker | eBay
Might even be the same one as this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Epiphone-Ba...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
You all are right, in three weeks time it passed through 3 peoples hands, none of which had any clue the the true value of this specific guitar. I am a professional guitar tech and have 25 years in the business and it showed up it the window of a pawn shop and the minute I read the serial number I knew exactly what I had found, the pawn shop owner had only put it in the window that same morning 1 hour earlier and I was walking back from the bank and saw it, bought it on the spot as he also knew nothing of the value of it. When I got home I opened the electronics cavities and found that it was the original paint and it had a tiny little chip on the edge of it and there I also found the paint to be original, I then contacted my friend at the Gibson Custom Shop, whom has worked there for 22 years and discussed it with him, he verified that only 2 of the prototypes had been painted in that color and the other 4 had been painted in the red and black color that went on to be the production colors. There are 6 prototypes total with serial numbers ending in 01-06 all beginning with U990100xx, which means U for the word used, Gibson and Epiphone prototypes are usually stamped this on the headstock or the word blem, 99 being the year and 01 is the month, to say the least this has been the best and most profitable find in my collection of prototypes and rare guitars to date.
In Epiphone language, U = Unsung, Korea. U9901 = Unsung 1999 January.
There is an example on Eldery Instruments with a serial of U99080267. So unless your serial was only U9901 with no other number at the end, the serial is not an indication of a prototype. I'm not saying that your guitar wasnt a proto, I'm just saying that a serial isnt always an indicator for an Epiphone. If your serial is only a 5 digit combination, then yes, it can be, and most likely is, a prototype serial.
Though I should mention that a quick GIS turns up more Mo' Babys in Banana Yellow and what appears to be Seafoam green, though they all seem to be in Japan.
Hmmm....also, if all of these prototypes end in 01-06, with the last number indicating the month, then that would mean that Epiphone was creating a Mo' Baby proto every month. That seems highly unlikely to me.
Im sorry if you misunderstood the serial # thing The full serial is U9901004 thus what I meant by the 01-06 is that the prototype #s are this U99010001,U99010002,99010003, and so forth, and I am going by what a Gibson Custom Shop employee told me and he has worked there 22 or 23 years.
Gotcha. 0001 might be a good indication of a pre-production guitar, especially if the other guitars follow suit with 0002 etc. Typically that number is the production number, though we have yet to decipher its actual meaning.
Though, "U" still stands for Unsung Korea, not "used". Epiphone doesnt mark their prototypes that way. Their serial methods are vastly different than Gibson. I've seen pics of quite a few Epiphone prototype serials and they dont follow that method. Sometimes they are marked with an X for the factory origin, sometimes they say "prototype" directly on the label (in the case of some archtops and acoustics), sometimes they have a seperate label with prototype information. Some times they arent marked at all, but have a serial number that is atypical for an Epiphone, such as being broken up by dashes or numbers that dont make sense for a production model. There is no one method that they use to indicate a prototype. And to make things a tad more confusing, some pre-production models just have a regular serial number with no indication of it being anything other than a typical production model.
Very true, if only it could talk. Can you please send or post the link showing the ones from Japan in the yellow and green colors.
Just do a Google Image search for "Epiphone Mo' Baby Moderne". I didnt save any links or anything. Just browsed through the images.
The green ones looked more green than yours. I dont know if it is due to fading or if its an entirely different color. I will say though, that having a 0004 serial is quite uncommon to say the least.
Slightly off-topic, but here's the serial number from a prototype Epi Genesis I received from Jim Rosenberg at Epiphone in early 2012:
This was about 6 months before the production models became available, and he told me it was one of a handful they had received in for evaluation/approval.
Notice that it's missing the usual "Inspected By" and "CE" stickers.
Guitar Dater says:
Qingdao Plant (Epiphone), China
Production Number: 05091
Not OT at all. That is a good example of how prototype serials can be just a regular serial...albiet a little off center.
Hmm, maybe Rosenberg got a batch of fakes?
Jim, if you're reading this - I AM KIDDING - I love this thing.
Too late for that, Brian. You are on Jim's shit list for leaving the corporate forums. As a matter of fact, I think we are all on Jim's shit list.
Funny, it felt more like we were "escorted out" than left of our own volition, n'est-ce pas?
I see what you are saying no rhyme or reason but the first four seem to make sense right year and month???